But to put things into real world perspective the .30 SC is around 400 FPS slower than than the 7.62x25 which is 30% less which is the difference between a .32 Long and the .30SC !The 30SC has pushed out the most excitement for the 7.62x25 I have ever seen. While I get the 30sc might get close to the 7.62 ballistics it does so with a smaller case. Isn't that the whole reason guys get excited about rifle cartridges like 350 legend and 6mm arc? Get the same or close performance of a heritage cartridge but in a smaller package. The 30 at least has the benefit of dimensionally fitting into guns built for 9mm.
Not at that noise level. 327 Federal is already an ammo problem if not a reloader. The round is a beast in the guns provided, except the Single Seven, which I found a dud to own. None of the reloading data I have goes as high as 45K for 327. Those reloaders will immediately go for a 30SC load with reasonable noise level. Hopefully the guns will not require high bracket pressure to cycle something well below 50k psi. This round seems to fit better in a small semi-auto, outperforming 380, but may be too dramatic to fire in a pocket gun.If they would make a new frame for it, that would be attractive. But probably they'd use a 357 frame and put a 30 SC cylinder in it and the extra chamber length amounts to freebore.
None of the reloading data I have goes as high as 45K for 327.
Put that in the context of Federal citing 50k for 30SC.45K is the SAAMI limit. It's like saying none of your loading data for 45 Auto (non +P) goes as high as 21,000 - the SAAMI limit. But there is data between 20,000 and 20,999 psi.
Hodgdon/Accurate has 327 data over 44,000 psi. Lyman has lots of 327 Fed loads over 44,000 psi and two (2) right at 45,000 psi.
Mine was a true statement. My Lyman 49th (2013) does not include 327 Federal Magnum. I have it in Cast Bullet, and the rest came from Brian Pearce or Hornady, with Hornady 9th not including pressure numbers, only velocity.45K is the SAAMI limit. It's like saying none of your loading data for 45 Auto (non +P) goes as high as 21,000 - the SAAMI limit. But there is data between 20,000 and 20,999 psi.
Hodgdon/Accurate has 327 data over 44,000 psi. Lyman has lots of 327 Fed loads over 44,000 psi and two (2) right at 45,000 psi.
Mine was a true statement. My Lyman 49th (2013) does not include 327 Federal Magnum. I have it in Cast Bullet, and the rest came from Brian Pearce or Hornady, with Hornady 9th not including pressure numbers, only velocity.
Don't know why you need to troll it. Sorry you missed the point."Your sources" having or not having 327 Federal data at 45,000 or lacking pressure data is not relevant to anything. Don't know why you brought it up in the first place or why you have to justify your sources.
He was likely wearing hearing protection, so we'll see. He should have noticed pressure though. I do know that 327 Federal gets attention at the range, while accounting for cylinder gap blast.Heard from a guy that is at shot and was able to shoot the 30sc. He said it was noticable less recoil than 9 which he was able to shoot side by side. He made no comment on muzzle blast or noise and when asked he couldn't remember anything significant. Will see if more reports line up with his experience or if he felt what he wanted to feel.
He definitely was. I feel like if the noise was say AR pistol loud (hyperbolic for argument sake) he would have at least noticed even with ear pro. He also could have been so focused on recoil and handling that he had some auditory exclusion. All I know is he actually shot the dang thing which is more than any of us hypothesizing. And yes does my 327 get a bunch of attention at the bowling pin matches. Worth loosing just to see the looks.He was likely wearing hearing protection, so we'll see. He should have noticed pressure though. I do know that 327 Federal gets attention at the range, while accounting for cylinder gap blast.
If it is a defensive weapon, and hearing protection will not be worn when it is fired, the loudness of a firearm can be a very "negative attribute"--particularly indoors.I don't know why people worry about how loud it is, it's a gun and they're all loud...some more so than others but that's not a negative attribute.
In which I will reply that they're all going to be very loud indoors without hearing protection, the sound is very abrupt and the doesn't travel far, I've shot indoors. Would I rather shoot a .45 indoors than a 357 Mag? Yes but that's not saying the 45 is pleasant, all are going to leave you with some form of hearing damage. One could always leave a set of electric noise cancelling earmuffs by their bed.If it is a defensive weapon, and hearing protection will not be worn when it is fired, the loudness of a firearm can be a very "negative attribute"--particularly indoors.