A solution in search of a problem.Any opinions on the .30 Super cartridge?
A solution in search of a problem.Any opinions on the .30 Super cartridge?
According to Goose Gestapo, the ammo price has come down significantly.
Don't know what it started out at, or if it's on sale...but the only place that I noticed .30SC on the shelf was $34.99/50 or $31.99/20 for "defense" ammo. Same brands in 9mm were $12.99/50, $17.99/20 and $28.99/50, $25.99/20 of .45.Makes me wonder if clearanced priced or not?
Originally, when it came out, that was my thought--exactly.A solution in search of a problem.
Adding two rounds could be worthwhile.
It is strange when you go to the range with any instrument that fires .30 Super Carry how the brass just seems to vanish into thin air. I went to the range and shot 50 rounds. I swept up the brass around me and have 21. Do they magically turn into .40 smith and wesson's once's the've been fired? Because I have a zip lock bag full of .40 S&W brass and I don't own a single firearm that fires that caliber.
How much is half price? I would pay $200 for the novelty but not much more. I prefer big bullets (45 acp) in a carry gun so I doubt I would ever carry it.
$300 is the absolute tops I would pay for one if I had the money burning a hole in my pocket. It "Might" be worth something someday considering it probably has pretty low sales.$300 sale price. Think the MSRP is around $600.
Officers in a publicly held corporation, who had more information than any of us thought otherwise, and put shareholders' money behind it.To be honest, 30 Super-Carry is not gonna last long. Its a dumb cartridge that never should have been invented.
NoWant even more capacity with a double stack?
Where did that idea come from? The diameter, OAL, and bullet are entirely different.So in essence, its a modified, more powerful 380Auto.
For many people, that is true. Others would like the additional capacity in the same flat, shootable, and easy to carry single stack gun they already have.Yep, theres just no reason for it.
In your second paragraph, you exactly described the .30SC!It seems like the goal of 30 SC was to meet similar ballistics to 9mm but be able to fit 2 more rounds in roughly the same space. I live in a state that limits capacity to 10 rounds anyway. If there was a 30 SC pocket pistol out there that increased the capacity over 9mm from 6 to 8 rounds, I'd buy it, but I don't see a pistol out there like that.
I think a compelling cartridge would be a cartridge that produces about as much muzzle energy as 380+P (between 290 - 300 ft-lbs) or has roughly the same felt recoil as 380+P but fires a bullet that penetrates deeper that 380 hollow points. I think there has to be a sectional-density sweet spot between 290 - 300 ft-lbs that yields better terminal ba;;istics han 380 ACP. In a locked-breach configuration, it would allow for a 10 ounce 5" x 4" pistol that is not punishing to shoot and performs better that current 389 cartridges.
.Officers in a publicly held corporation, who had more information than any of us thought otherwise, and put shareholders' money behind it.
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Where did that idea come from? The diameter, OAL, and bullet are entirely different.
For many people, that is true. Others would like the additional capacity in the same flat, shootable, and easy to carry single stack gun they already have.
It seems like the goal of 30 SC was to meet similar ballistics to 9mm but be able to fit 2 more rounds in roughly the same space. I live in a state that limits capacity to 10 rounds anyway. If there was a 30 SC pocket pistol out there that increased the capacity over 9mm from 6 to 8 rounds, I'd buy it, but I don't see a pistol out there like that.
I think a compelling cartridge would be a cartridge that produces about as much muzzle energy as 380+P (between 290 - 300 ft-lbs) or has roughly the same felt recoil as 380+P but fires a bullet that penetrates deeper that 380 hollow points. I think there has to be a sectional-density sweet spot between 290 - 300 ft-lbs that yields better terminal ba;;istics han 380 ACP. In a locked-breach configuration, it would allow for a 10 ounce 5" x 4" pistol that is not punishing to shoot and performs better that current 389 cartridges.
The .30 SC requires a larger gun than a small .380. The are all the same size as 9 mm handuns.But when it comes to the size of the handguns, their performance, and how many rounds they can hold - it is essentially a 380 handgun with performance closer to 9mm - thats what I meant by a "modified 380". Sorry for the confusion.
Well if you look at my previous few replies, there are a few very strong arguments for 9x19mm over 30-SC.In a technical sense, .30SC could kill 9x19 for exactly the reasons people attribute to being the reasons 9x19 killed everything else. It won't, most likely because it's too expensive, and nobody is yet truly taking advantage of it being a smaller diameter cartridge.
It makes me giggle though that absent the economy factors, the 9x19 fanatics would have to resort to the ole "bigger bullet is better" argument to explain why they won't take advantage of the higher mag capacity offered by the .30SC.
Not every new cartridge or caliber has to compete with 9mm in terms of potential popularity or equal or exceed the performance of 9mm. A new caliber isn't always going to be the right choice for everyone, but that doesn't mean it won't be the right choice for no one.To be honest, 30 Super-Carry is not gonna last long. Its a dumb cartridge that never should have been invented.
Sure, it gives you a few more rounds in a compact handgun, but its not like 9mm rounds are huge and its not like we don't already have basically every conceivable profile already designed in 9mm.
Need good capacity from a small handgun in 9mm? Thats what 1.5 stack handguns like the Sig 365 and Springfield Hellcat are for. You get about 12 rounds from the mags of most of these guns and they are VERY small.
Want even more capacity with a double stack? Glock 19, Canik Mete SF, Walther PDP, the list goes on forever in this category (compact classic) size thats just a bit smaller than a full-sized duty pistol.
Basically, there are endless options in 9mm to suit anyone's needs and ull be able to actually afford the ammunition.
Additionally, 30-SC is pretty weak. If it was a special cartridge that could burn all the powder in a very short barrel and showed exceptional performance versus 9mm then there would be a reason for it, but it doesn't. Instead it looses to 9mm while only giving you and extra round or two - just not worth it.
So in essence, its a modified, more powerful 380Auto. The capacity is similar but with more power. People who carry 380 do so for the very soft recoil. 30-SC doesn't do that, so that use case is out the window as well.
Yep, theres just no reason for it. Chose 380 for smaller guns and softer recoil for people uncomfortable with 9mm, or just choose 9mm. It really is that simple.
Here is a video by Paul Harell evaluating the 30-SC cartridge. In the end, he prefers 9mm over 30-SC but he does understand the benefits of 30-SC:
Personal Protection: .30 Super Carry Evaluation
Paul tests out the new 30 super carry caliber for personal protection and concealed carry.Shirts and patches from Tristar Trading Co: https://alnk.to/6bSTELx...youtu.be