10mm as a SD gun

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I think it would be nice to own a 10mm,would you consider it too much for a Self Defense gun? Just seems nice to have the power of a 357mag in a semi and less loud and more than 6 shots, opinions?
 
If you don't want a plastic gun, I'd take a look at Dan Wesson 1911's. You can get a full 5" Razorback or a 4.25" Bobtail in 10mm....of course, you only gain a couple of rounds in a single stack vs. your 'volver.

Considered .357sig?

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a Self Defense gun?
I'm sometimes confused with this term...For some, it means "on their nightstand", or in a vehicle for protection, or as a carry piece....
Assuming it's for a carry, I personally view it as a good choice. The various calibers that are being worn, especially in the summer, I suspect are because of weight, size, general comfort, and not because of bore-size...
If you can handle it-shoot it well: go for it....:)
 
I carry a full size G20 10mm. No issues whatsoever, other than it is a bit large.
The compact version is the G29.
10mm is a reloaders caliber, unless you are financially gifted and can afford the good stuff, or like .40 S&W power factory loads.
Even though, I cannot say enough good things about the 10mm. It is really a fun, effective caliber. Did I mention it is fun?
 
Love the G20 and G29. You can/could get a 40SW barrel to make the gun more affordable to practice with and more versatile.
 
Like caliber but haven't used for defense

I've had a 10mm for about 9 years, a Colt Delta Gold Cup, and enjoy shooting it at the range. I have never used it for defensive purposes, because it is pretty large and heavy to carry. I buy ammo from Georgia Arms, and it costs about the same as .45 ACP ammo from that vendor.

I have considered buying a Glock 29 in 10mm for defensive use, and recently spotted a nice used one for $450. But I have held off because I have a Glock 23 in .40 caliber, and don't see that much advantage in the 10mm. You can find some .40 caliber defensive ammo that is pretty energetic and approaches the 10mm ballistics. I think the .40 is quite adequate with the right ammo, and the 10mm isn't going to improve on it that much.

I have also used .45, 9mm and .357 magnum for defensive use, and think they all will work pretty well if you can hit your target.
 
there are calibers that will do the same job for HUMAN SD that a 10mm will. The 40S&W and 45ACP are, in my opinion, a better choice. Theyre cheaper, if you dont reload, and have more models and sizes available from alot more manufacturers. a 357 sig is also nice, but is like the 10mm. They have more companies that chamber their firearms for that cartridge but ammo is just as expensive to buy and more expensive and more difficult to reload.

I have 2 10mms. An EAA Witness and a S&W 1006. Both are tack drivers. The Witness carries more rounds but, for me, has been far less reliable. Im still in the process of working the bugs out, whereas the 1006 has been flawless. I didnt buy these for HUMAN SD, although they will do the trick very well. I bought them for SD in the woods, primarily copugars, black bears and wolves. So your intentions for the firearm will play the biggest role. They are awesome guns and the ballistics they produce are eye openers.
 
I think it would be nice to own a 10mm,would you consider it too much for a Self Defense gun? Just seems nice to have the power of a 357mag in a semi and less loud and more than 6 shots, opinions?

Too small for SD??? Not even close. Are you messing with us? ;)

EDIT... Sorry chief. I guess I am illiterate and read your post wrong. You said "too much"... for some reason my mind registered it as "too small"... please don't ask me why. I just don't know.
To answer your question CORRECTLY, no I don't think it is too much if you use the right loads. DoubleTap has a 135gr JHP that would make a fantastic SD load for humans. I also like the 165gr Golden Saber that they make.



I think the .40 is quite adequate with the right ammo, and the 10mm isn't going to improve on it that much.

Yeah, I think that against a human the 40 cal will do enough. However, the 10mm works well as a mountain gun as well as an urban SD gun. Between the 165gr Golden Sabers and the 200gr FMJ-FP from DoubleTap, my 10mm Glock is a very diverse weapon... I'd say more so than a 40 cal. The 10mm moves lead 200-300 fps faster than most 40 loads.
 
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I own a glock 29 10mm.

Mine's got the green colored frame with accessory rails. It's supposed to be the only green 29 with rails in the USA...or at least it was when I got it. It's a long story how I ended up with it. It wasn't easy.

Anyone trying to tell you that a 10mm is only marginally better than a 40 cal is full of it. Top quality defense ammo in 10mm is generally 25-30% more powerful than the same in 40cal...going by muzzle energy that is.

The glock 29 is way to big for pocket carry. glock 10mm guns are very very thick. I was a little dissapointed by how thick the slide is on the 29.

Also, since we're on the subject of glocks now, I might as well gripe some more. Glocks are notorious for having very loose chambers and weak firing pins. You can't use imported military surplus ammo reliably in a glock because the primers are too tough for the glock's weak striker and sometimes they don't go off. that's not good in a pistol that doesn't have second strike capability. The loose chamber enhances feeding reliability, but it also is hard on brass if you are a handloader. I've heard of cartridge failures in glocks with hot handloads. Also, I don't particularly care for the glock style magazines with the thick plastic coating on them. It makes the grip wider than it should be. And I don't know what the deal is with plastic sights at glock headquarters, but they use them as standard equipment. Pretty dumb if you ask me. And the slide release lever needs a total redesign...it's pathetic. As for the trigger...I dont' know why they have that silly thing on it they call a "safety". What exactly is the point of a safety that is automatically dissengaged when you touch the trigger with your trigger finger?!?! It's like they are trying to be funny or something.

The good thing about glocks is they are plentiful, affordable, they are easy to shoot fairly accurately, they never jam, they're pretty tough (except for the plastic sights), extremely simple and easy to maintain. Something about the frame design seems to make recoil feel softer compared to other pistols.
 
I think it would be nice to own a 10mm, would you consider it too much for a Self Defense gun?
Yes. A .40S&W or a .45ACP are better choices. The .40S&W is what was known as the "FBI Load" 10mm. The FBI stated that there was a very small difference between the .45ACP and the FBI 10mm.

Just seems nice to have the power of a 357mag in a semi and less loud and more than 6 shots
If you use either indoors, you will not be able to detect any difference in your hearing degradation.

I'd be less concerned about six vs seven vs nine than how much faster you can reload a semi.
 
fo 10mm... yes, it'll stop someone.

if you're going to carry, well, the gun is going to be a bit big, but carry size is subjective to what works for you.

for practicality, i'd rather use hot loaded 40s&w. many more choices to pick from, including subcompact models that may be easier to carry depending on what you're looking for.
 
I have started to reply to this thread a number of times. I seem to be having an bit of writers block in effectively conveying my thoughts. Here is a new tack to get my point across.

First, cut to the chase. Your question of the 10mm cartridge as a SD round. It is a great choice. It can do anything the 40 can do, and it can do things the 40 can't (see Cartridge Ballistics below). As far as over-penetration, last I checked, shooting in SD was not an excuse to ditch the 4 rules, one of which is be sure of your target and what is beyond.

Now, the small book. Those with attention spans similar to mine should stop here....

There are three things to consider when looking at a self defense package. Cartridge ballistics, cartridge cost, and available platforms.

Cartridge Ballistics
Ballistically, the 40S&W is inferior to the 10mm. The 40S&W is a shortened and lightened 10mm auto case. It operates at a lower pressure, and has less case capacity. Any external or terminal ballistics that can be generated in the 40S&W cartridge can be duplicated in the 10mm cartridge. The shoot the exact same bullets, and the the 10mm can push them the same speed, or if desired, faster. In cartridge ballistics comparison, the 10mm wins.

There will be those who say that there is a wider selection in 40S&W ammo on the market. This is based on a few additional bullet types being available commercially loaded in the 40 that arent' in the 10. This argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The 10mm is available commercially in bullet weights from 135 gr to 230 gr. The 40 loadings stop at 200 gr.

Cartridge Cost:
10mm new ammunition will cost a minimum of $3.00/box (50 rds) more than new 40S&W ammunition. If you reload, once brass is acquired, the costs can be the same, if you load light 10mm rounds. The only difference is the primer, and small and large pistol primers can be found at the same price. I just checked powder valley. I could make arguments about brass life either way. The short story is the 40 S&W will be 20% cheaper in new ammo, and may be slightly cheaper to reload.

Available Platforms:
No question, there are more guns out there for the 40S&W. However, that doesn't mean that your gun isn't out there in 10mm. Personally, I am a cocked and locked, double stack, no grip safety cheapskate. EAA has my number with the Witness. And it is available in 10mm from them.

The 10mm is longer than the 40. Therefore, guns with the same magazine capacity can be engineered with a smaller grip circumference in 40 than in 10. (Whether they are or not varies from model to model.)

Speaking broadly, there are four basic auto platforms as I see it. Striker fired, DA/SA w/decocker, DA/SA w/safety, and SA (with safety). There are sub-genre's of plastic and steel. I do not know of a currently produced 10mm that falls in the DA/SA w/decocker space. Striker = Glock(20,29), DA/SA w/safety = Witness (steel and poly frames), SA = SVI, Dan Wesson, Fusion, Wilson Combat, Kimber, Witness Match.

The only people really out in the cold are those married to a brand that doesn't make a 10, or those with small hands. My wife can handle a Witness just fine, and I still have the bulky rubber grips on it (Read, they have to be pretty small hands. Anyone who can wrap around a 1911 can find a 10mm they can wrap around.).

Psychologically, the human animal is a pack animal. As a group we don't like to be alone. If you feel funny when you are dressed a little different, or say something a little different, the 10mm isn't for you. You will be a loner, and will be challenged about your intelligence and pedigree if you choose one.

I deemed flexibility in the cartridge to be a high criteria. The 10mm was available in a platform I really liked, and I reload, so the cost difference in negligible.
 
If you feel funny when you are dressed a little different, or say something a little different, the 10mm isn't for you. You will be a loner, and will be challenged about your intelligence and pedigree if you choose one.

Great post sqlbullet,

I agree that the 10mm is far more diverse than the .40, and that is worth the extra cost to me. As for being a loner... I believe that the cartridge will continue to exponentially gain popularity as folks discover it's amazing potential. I personally am in lust with it... and I have only had the gun for a couple of weeks.
 
SQLBullet VERY VERY HELPFUL......This is prolly a dumb question but can 40's be shot in a 10 just as 38's in a 357?

Would i be correct the cheaper options in 10mm are EAA and Glock?
 
SQLBullet VERY VERY HELPFUL......This is prolly a dumb question but can 40's be shot in a 10 just as 38's in a 357?

Would i be correct the cheaper options in 10mm are EAA and Glock?

Nope. But 10mm can be loaded down to the pressures of a 40 if thats what you want.
 
Having just skimmed the thread...

10mm should be fine. But wasn't that guy who shot the homeless guy on a hiking trail carrying a 10mm, and they nailed him in court by pretty much saying that 10mm was overkill, which made him look "bloodthristy"? Someting like that?

Anyone?


-T.
 
I remember seeing that case on one of those news shows. I can't remember if it was the caliber or the fact that he fired multiple times but yes, it was a factor with the pea-brain jury.
 
GunLvrNLearner, KBintheSLC :

A 10mm CAN be loaded with 40 S&W if you buy a replacement barrel for your pistol that is designed for 40S&W. You can re-use the slide and the magazine for 40S&W.

Also, you can get a barrel for 357sig as well.

One of the reasons I bought a glock 29 is because there are aftermarket barrels for it to allow you to shoot 40 and 357...using the same magazines. I havn't yet got any of the barrels though. It's been a few years now, and I don't know if they are still available.

I like the 10mm alot. I also like the 9x23 winchester and the 30 carbine.
 
Here are a couple. I carry the Dan Wesson often in the winter when it's easier to conceal.

The Delta is my old IPSC gun. It's got untold thousands of rounds through it. I have a .40 barrel for it and it's probably fired 3000 rounds or so of that. The 10mm mags seem to work fine with .40.

Reloading for .40S&W is a scary thought.

The Delta here has seen nothing but reloads in .40, several thousand. What's scary about it?

It was a 10mm. He was crucified over it.

Harold Fish would have been crucified if he'd used a .38 revolver. A prosecutor out for blood is going to put the spin on anything.

The FBI stated that there was a very small difference between the .45ACP and the FBI 10mm.

Sort of. The FBI 10mm load and the .40 load were not that different. The original Norma 10mm loading was a HELL of a lot more than the .40 but many of the manufacturers downloaded their factory ammo. The Silvertips I use when I carry a 10 are much softer shooting than a "full power" 10mm load.

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