Which round can you afford to practice the most with?
If you reload they are about the same. If you buy in bulk, like Georgia Arms Canned Heat, the difference isn't all that much.
Dave
Which round can you afford to practice the most with?
JWJacobVT said:I guess I like the fact that at 80 yards I can aim dead on with my 10mm and hit the target. My 45 requires a bit of over the target hold (lobbing). This is why I switched several years ago from 45 to 10mm. Now I carry it CCW, hunting and Duty, loads are 180 grains at 1350 fps. My 44 is now a safe queen.
And the XD at 13+1 and the Glock at 13+1, the USP 45 at 12+1, Hi-Cap 1911s at 13 or 14+1...Thats why i said generally. I know the FNP can carry 14 and 15+1 and the Taurus OSS, millenium or 845 can carry 12+1 but most 45's are limited to 7-10 rounds in the mag.
Awsome round a real blaster , punishing round compaired to the .45 ACP , both on the gun and you Excellent hunting choice too by the way . Hard to go wrong with a 10mm if your man enough , or woman enough and have good money.
Better than the .357 Magnum in its hottest loadings?I'd go with the 45. Better, more proven man stopper.
EHL said:I'd go with the 45. Better, more proven man stopper. As far as stopping bigger critters, your 45 will be on the anemic side, but if you reload you can swap out the barrel and recoil spring for a 460 Rowland conversion. Still use the same mags and will be in the 44 magnum realm of raw power.
And the 460 Rowland is nowhere near the level of a .44mag. It can generate 400 more ft/lbs of energy easily. Put it this way, a .44mag can push a 340gr bullet at the same speed a .460 Rowland can push a 230gr. bullet.
The proven .460 Rowland round gives a .45 1911 more power than a .44 magnum.
Tests show that a 230 grain .460 round reaches a velocity of 1340 fps, while a standard 240 grain .44 Remington Magnum round reaches a velocity of only 1180 fps. The energy in ft/lbs is 917 for the .460, compared to 741 for the .44 magnum.
Another reviewer provided this detail on his testing of the round, fired from a similar Springfield 1911 conversion:
“Fired in my completed .460 Rowland, the 185 grain factory load does 1530 fps (and drops five shots into 5/8" at 15 yards), the 200 grainer does 1436 fps and, and the 230 clocks out at 1330 fps. For a comparison with .44 Magnum loads I fired the Federal 180 grain jacketed hollow point load from the five inch barrel of a Smith & Wesson Model 629 with the results being a muzzle velocity of 1564 fps. Hornady's 200 XTP .44 Magnum loading clocked out at 1350, while Black Hills rendition of the 240 grain jacketed hollow point .44 load came in at 1247. For all practical purposes, the .460 Rowland with its five-inch barrel equals, or surpasses, the .44 Magnum in a like barreled sixgun.”
And you will need a compensator attached to a 1911 in addition to a recoil spring or slide or frame damage will be inevitable.
Uhhh... how is the 45ACP a "better, more proven man stopper" compared to the 10mm.
EHL said:Quote:
Uh, Idaho, don't know where you got your info but here's what an elementary google search netted me in like 10 seconds.
http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/pro...-Rowland-Rocks
EHL said:Not to split hairs with you, but I used the phrase "in the realm" to describe the comparison between the two. I stand by my choice of words.
EHL said:It depends on how you define "better" and "proven man stopper". By "better" I might point out the simple fact that the reduced recoil of a .45 acp will allow for more accurate follow up shots, hence better overall shot placement. I could also point out that 45 acp ammo is significantly cheaper than 10mm which allows for significantly more practice for the average shooter. (also a good thing) As for "proven man stopper", I could point out that with about a century's worth of war use, law enforcement, and self defense use, the 45 acp is without a doubt not just a "proven man stopper", but a "well proven one". Add to that, the fact that the FBI abandoned the 10mm design after investing significant amounts into it. I guess it all comes down to what you place the most importance on to determine what "better" and "proven man stopper" means.
Mike Mcnett said:DoubleTap 10mm
135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02"
165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82"
180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85"
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"
200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"
230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40"
Mike Mcnett said:DoubleTap .45ACP
185gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1225fps - 12.75" / .82"
200gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1125fps - 14.25" / .88"
230gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1010fps - 15.25" / .95"
I get my info from actual manufacturers.
That guy obviously wrote a biased article and threw out low numbers for the .44mag to "help" prove his point.
I find it odd that you will say the 10mm is "more expensive than the 45 if you dont reload",
New brass is the same price for each. However, bullets actually are cheaper for the 10mm. So if you reload, and don't trust unknown range pickups for hot loads, the 10mm is actually cheaper.But as a matter of fact, 10mm would be and is more expensive than 45acp even if you did reload. The cost of the brass is substantially more expensive than the more common 45acp brass.
This takes more than a grain of salt, more like eating an entire salt lick in one sitting.while a standard 240 grain .44 Remington Magnum round reaches a velocity of only 1180 fps
And most of those threads show that premium ammo like Buffalo Bore, Garrett, Double Tap, and Corbon typically meet or exceed stated velocities. Note also that Buffalo Bore includes actual velocities, and the guns in which they got them.There are numerous threads here on this forum alone that address the inaccuracy of the reported velocities by the various manufacturers.
My original feelings have always been for a .45acp just because it is a classic, proven, and hefty 1911 round. However, one of my friends owns a glock 20. I have also been looking at the ballistic charts and the 10mm seems to take the cake. But i just cant seem to discount that .45acp round!
Some input on this matter would be greatly appreciated!