A soldiers take on the m4

[Correia]

I've said this so many times that I sound like a broken record. The myth of AK inaccuracy comes from the fact that most of the AKs Americans are exposed to are the cheapest slapped together out of used parts guns you can make, firing the cheapest ammo known to man.

I have a Vepr with the Krebs A2 style peep sights. www.krebscustom.com I can shoot 2 inch groups at 100 yards, and I've shot 6 inch groups at 200 yards. And I'm not that good of a group shooter. In the hands of a real rifleman I'm sure it could do better.

So it isn't really fair to compare a $800 Bushmaster to a $250 SAR.

It is good to read PvtPyle's postings. It is nice to see some first hand information rather than the ramblings of us internet couch commandos.

 

[444]

Couch commando ?
Speak for yourself.
I am in a recliner.

 

[rock jock]

Ahhhh, the old AK vs. AR thread. As regular as the changing of the seasons.

We all know that the AK is indestructible. Heck, it will function even when dipped in wet concrete and allowed to cure. In fact, in ancient Babylonian times, AK-style sticks were dropped into volcanos and extracted intact while the AR-style sticks sadly burned to ashes.

 

[goon]

An aperture rear sight would do wonders for a good AK.
I had a VEPR K .223 that I managed to shoot a 1.5 inch ten shot group with. It was from the prone, off sandbags at 100 yards with a warm barrel.
I was using UMC 55 grain FMJ ammo.
I know that an AK could be made to shoot pretty well if someone put some time into it.
I think that alot of the inaccuracy with the AK comes from cheap ammo and poor sights.
Get rid of those two and you would have a rifle that would have the best of both worlds.
At the very least, I would love to have a aperture sight back on the receiver cover on my SA-M7. It couldn't hurt.

On the other end, I had an SAR-1 that routinely shot 8 inch groups at 100 yards. I promptly sold it off.

 

[AKM]

The problem with an Aperture/Peep sight is the fact that it has to be mounted close to the eye (on the Receiver cover).

If you have a Kobra or other red dot mounted to a side mount, you will be surprised at how much flex the Receiver has (you can alter the point of aim quite a bit by just flexing the Receiver with your hand, not to mention the receiver cover since it sits on a higher plain)!

That’s why the Russians mounted the rear sight on the forward Trunnion.

 

[roscoe]

Krebs sells a receiver-mounted peep sight for the AK, and they say it maintains zero because they have some sort of set screw on the receiver that keeps it aligned. I have my eye on one for a .223 Saiga.

(near the bottom of the page)
http://www.krebscustom.com/CustomParts.html

My question is why no one has made one for the SKS.