ATF now has records of everyone who purchased from RH custom

[infidel762]

So as of a couple weeks ago with the arrest of the owner of RH custom in IL, the ATF is now going to the residences of everyone who purchased from RH custom within the last 4 years. They confiscated his records including his email and correspondence with customers and everyone who made a purchase is on this list. They are going door to door and requesting that you turn in all the stuff you bought with no penalties. “they are operating under the assumption that everyone who purchased these FA kits and suppressors didn’t know it was illegal and are simply trying to go around and get them back”. So I guess that if you give yours up you are off the hook (maybe just for this part of the investigation and just for now in general). There is a ton of people who purchased this stuff and who knows what their next move is going to be. If you still have this stuff just throw it away so if they get a warrant they will not find it and it’s not a problem for you any longer; both legally and mentally.

I never post on here, I just linger. I am sorry of I broke some forum rule.


Thanks.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Interesting.

FA parts kits are not illegal to own (so long as you don't also have a receiver that can readily accept them; That constitutes constructive possession). However, a drop-in auto sear or lightning link is a machine gun by itself; they are not parts.

Suppressors, OTOH, absolutely have to be on a form 1/4. Even suppressor parts.



I would like to read more about this, but no combination of RH custom, suppressors, machine gun, arrest, etc. turns up squat in a search. Links?

 

[infidel762]

Well all this stuff had been parts already considered machine guns by the ATF (lightening link, FSSG, FA m16 receivers w/ 3rd pin etc). Simply possessing these pieces of metal is equivalent to possessing a fully capable machine gun. Basically everything he sold were “machine guns” and many people (predominantly people in the US) bought them. The seller did not convince customers that these parts were legal or illegal. He sold them to people who were smart enough to know how to look for them and purchase them. They knew what they were buying, given the effort it takes to find this stuff.

 

[MachIVshooter]

many people (predominantly people in the US) bought them

So the seller is NOT in the USA?

I would still like to see a link.

 

[sota]

http://www.rh-custom.se/
that the company?

 

[MtnCreek]

http://www.rh-custom.se/product.php?id_product=107

" By buying this product you can collect up to 45 loyalty points. Your cart will total 45 points that can be converted into a voucher of $9.00. "

I'd say you'd get more than that...

 

[mrvco]

Reading the latest comment on the AR Lightning Link product page... it sounds like someone was taking orders out of Louisiana and having them drop-shipped from Sweden.

I'd say the ATF is being VERY accommodating with their "return the parts and we won't press charges" approach.


edit ... It also looks like he is selling "Dummy Suppressors"... apparently all you need to do to unDummy them is drill out the washers.

 

[brboyer]

So as of a couple weeks ago with the arrest of the owner of RH custom in IL, the ATF is now going to the residences of everyone who purchased from RH custom within the last 4 years. They confiscated his records including his email and correspondence with customers and everyone who made a purchase is on this list. They are going door to door and requesting that you turn in all the stuff you bought with no penalties. “they are operating under the assumption that everyone who purchased these FA kits and suppressors didn’t know it was illegal and are simply trying to go around and get them back”. So I guess that if you give yours up you are off the hook (maybe just for this part of the investigation and just for now in general). There is a ton of people who purchased this stuff and who knows what their next move is going to be. If you still have this stuff just throw it away so if they get a warrant they will not find it and it’s not a problem for you any longer; both legally and mentally.

I never post on here, I just linger. I am sorry of I broke some forum rule.


Thanks.

Do you have a link to a credible news story or other verifiable source?

 

[kwguy]

And people BOUGHT the FA stuff?

 

[infidel762]

He works in conjunction with a US seller, and the US seller is the one who got arrested now the one in Sweden, excuse me. The website is still up and has a new sign saying “open again for business” but they failed to mention that it’s now under supervision by the ATF haha. I do not have a link to this because it is happening right now, it is in progress. I was working when I got a call from my spouse saying BATF was at my house and wanted to speak to me. I ordered a couple things and then cancelled the order soon after because the thought of being arrested was plaguing my mind. I never got any items and he kept the money. I am surprised how open the agent was to how things are being done, the duration of the investigation and all the names and info he divulged just to provoke discussion, I know much of this to be factual because once you order something from RH, you get insight on how this works and who is involved with it. Its disturbing. Being former military, I am suprised just how efficient this agency is when compared to other appendages of this government. Just throw your <deleted> away guys.

 

[gym]

So we are talking about the "potato launchers" on their website, that can be modified ?

 

[joeschmoe]

turn in all the stuff you bought with no penalties.

I don't think the ATF has the power to give immunities. The federal prosecutor in your district is the one who will decide if he wants to prosecute you, and he answers to bosses and judges who can change their mind too. LEO's often use the claim of immunity to get what they want, but their offer means nothing.

"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law".


Google youtube's "Don't talk to the police".

 

[dogtown tom]

infidel762 He works in conjunction with a US seller, and the US seller is the one who got arrested now the one in Sweden, excuse me. The website is still up and has a new sign saying “open again for business” but they failed to mention that it’s now under supervision by the ATF haha.

This story doesn't make sense.
ATF doesn't raid FOREIGN businesses, much less put them "under supervision".

 

[MachIVshooter]

I don't think the ATF has the power to give immunities. The federal prosecutor in your district is the one who will decide if he wants to prosecute you, and he answers to bosses and judges who can change their mind too.

Immunity is one thing, not referring for prosecution is another. ATF can make that call.

That said, if I somehow found myself in possession of something illegal, I think I'd simply destroy it rather than take their word that they won't prosecute if I'll but hand it over. Of course, I know better than to be buying an unregistered lightning link, DIAS or suppressor in the first place.

 

[joeschmoe]

Immunity is one thing, not referring for prosecution is another. ATF can make that call.

That said, if I somehow found myself in possession of something illegal, I think I'd simply destroy it rather than take their word that they won't prosecute if I'll but hand it over. Of course, I know better than to be buying an unregistered lightning link, DIAS or suppressor in the first place.

A prosecutor does not need a "referral" to prosecute you. Immunity is the only thing that matters, and they can't give it. Their claim you won't face penalties is a straight lie. You still face penalties.

Destruction of evidence is also a crime.

 

[AlexanderA]

If you bought one of these things (dumb move, obviously), you're in a real bind. Destroying it or otherwise getting rid of it won't get you off the hook, because you're on record as having possessed it. (Postal tracking numbers and all that.) If ATF comes around looking for it, they're going to assume that you're hiding it, and things won't go well for you. Maybe the best thing to do would be to cut it into pieces and keep the pieces so as to have something to turn in when asked. Or be proactive and contact ATF and tell them that the whole thing was due to a misunderstanding. Maybe they'll go easy on you and not prosecute. Or maybe not.

 

[dogtown tom]

Did the mods go to sleep on this one?

infidel762 .....If you still have this stuff just throw it away so if they get a warrant they will not find it and it’s not a problem for you any longer; both legally and mentally.

Throwing it away is a felony in itself.

I never post on here, I just linger. I am sorry of I broke some forum rule.

Advising forum members to commit a crime is (or used to be) a violation of forum rules.

 

[JShirley]

Tom,

Considering one of the posts has been edited, you tell me.

We do not allow anyone to suggest breaking the law here. You will note several requests from the OP for verification of this story.

To all members: never, ever suggest here that anyone break the law. Don't do it. Especially don't issue suggestions for how to break the law. You risk getting THR in legal trouble because we hosted your "brilliant" advice.

John

 

[buck460XVR]

I'd say the ATF is being VERY accommodating with their "return the parts and we won't press charges" approach.

I agree, especially since the OP states that those that bought them probably knew what they were doing was illegal. While the ATF may not have the power to give immunity, is this any different than those gun turn ins where they claim "no questions asked''?

I'm thinkin' them discovering you destroyed evidence would have a much better chance of you being prosecuted than the chances of an over-zealous local prosecutor pursuing you after the Feds said no. But then, I ain't into all of those conspiracy theories.

 

[r1derbike]

Man, no matter what you do, you could be in a world of doggie-goop. I'd consult counsel versed in these things and follow his instructions to the letter.

If an agent told me to forfeit the parts then and there, I'd do it, then consult counsel.

Even your name on a list could cause consequences later.

There are some serious felony laws regulating FA parts/unregistered suppressors.

Legal counsel. Do it.

 

[Al Thompson]

Throwing it away is a felony in itself.

Are you sure about that? Not trying to challenge you, but it seems to my under educated (in this field) eye that destroying unlawful firearms would be OK.

Or are you thinking of evidence tampering?

 

[MtnCreek]

OP said he canceled the shipment and received no parts.

IMHO, if someone did receive these parts and was asked by atf to produce them, as soon as they are handed over, no longer any doubts about possession.

atf does have written requirements for destroying certain parts. May be a good idea for any person that did receive them to destroy per aft, keep evidence of such (like at attorney office) and have attorney do the talking.

$12,000 M-16 w/ stamp starts looking pretty cheap doesn't it...

 

[MachIVshooter]

A prosecutor does not need a "referral" to prosecute you. Immunity is the only thing that matters, and they can't give it. Their claim you won't face penalties is a straight lie. You still face penalties.

How is the prosecutor going to know about it if the ATF (or whatever agency) doesn't tell him/her? That's the point; Without an arrest/charge by the people on the ground, the prosecutor sitting in his office won't know that a prosecutable crime occurred.

Destruction of evidence is also a crime.

It's not evidence if you've not yet been accused of a crime. It's just a contraband item at that point. We constantly advise people here that if they come into possession of unregistered NFA stuff via family members passing, etc. that they either 1) make it title I compliant, 2 )turn it in or 3) demil/destroy it. If the item in question is machine gun or suppressor, it can't be made title I compliant, and turning it in risks being charged with possession. You can either render it inoperable/inert, or just completely destroy the contraband part(s).

If I were to receive something like a Thompson by bequest, and it turned out to be an unregistered MG (which can never be registered now), I'd strip all the parts and smoke axe the receiver. Then I'd rebuild the gun on a title I receiver. Not that there's anything like that to be handed down by my liberal family, but the point remains.

 

[dogtown tom]

JShirley Tom,

Considering one of the posts has been edited, you tell me.

I quoted it in my last post.

Al Thompson Or are you thinking of evidence tampering?

Yep

MachIVshooter It's not evidence if you've not yet been accused of a crime.

Retake that bar exam.


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[MachIVshooter]

Retake that bar exam.

I'm not a lawyer. But I do understand the definition of evidence, and it'd be pretty hard to prove destruction of it if there was no way to prove you had it in the first place. But I digress....

Point remains, ATF has guidelines, and as long as at least three 1/4" wide metal displacing (torch) cuts are made, the receiver is no longer an MG, just scrap metal. More than three cuts (or total destruction of the receiver) also demils it.