Breaking: Omaha, NE mall shooting

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I wonder how much Hitlery Clinton and Carolyn McCarthy paid him? here comes HR1022
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statements like that arent really productive... that said, i can sure see this incident being a launching pad for getting 1022 to the floor of the house for a vote
 
I wonder how much Hitlery Clinton and Carolyn McCarthy paid him? here comes HR1022
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Statements like this make us all look bad. They are completely without basis or merit. Virginia Tech didn't get HR 1022 rammed through as some predicted, I'm not sure how you think this will.
 
from fox news:

Friends described Hawkins as "depressed" and said he had quit school several years ago and worked at a series of fast food jobs. He was arrested last month on misdemeanor charges and was expected to appear in court this month.
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doesnt pending charges prohibit you from possessing a firearm? or is it just specific types of pending charges that enact that prohibition?
 
Part of the Fox News report: Police received a 911 call from someone inside the mall, and shots could be heard in the background, Negron said. By the time officers arrived six minutes later, the shooting was over, she said.

Lends credence to the saying: When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

I am not being critical of the officers. This was a rapid response, and they quickly went in, but the police are, by nature, a reactive force, not a preventative force.
 
You can bet if a CCW holder had popped up and fired a shot toward this buttmunch, he'd have cowered, cried, and wet himself on the spot. These idiots use guns in malls because they know there's no one there to stop them. I wouldn't knowingly take a pistol to a rifle match, but if it's all I had, you can bet I'd at least direct a few slugs at his face. If he's in the process of shooting people at random, it's the LEAST I should be doing. I would do it at work (that's my job) and I'd do it anywhere else innocents are being murdered. I don't care what color the shooter is, or how old, or what issues he has, I wouldn't even think it over, just react. That's how I'm trained, and that's what I'll follow. Too bad there wasn't someone there with the ability to nip this massacre in the bud. The only good thing is that this sick cretin saved the taxpayers several million dollars for a trial, an automatic appeal, and a dozen or more years on Death Row before being dealt with properly.
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I may not have been able to hit him at 30 feet, if that was my distance, and with my pocket gun. I can guarantee you 6 rounds in his direction ( assuming clear background) would have made him pause, bought time for someone, maybe just maybe one would have hit him. It's called pin him down so he can't shoot. Buy time, maybe cops would be there by then, maybe another CCW gets a better angle. Stop his shooting and buy time.
 
Here's a pre-shooting article referencing the mall's weapons policy since Neb. allowed ccw licenses:

In fact, although some chains such as Bag 'N Save have posted signs and shopping malls such as Westroads Mall have added "no weapons" clauses to their posted codes of conduct, many small businesses haven't seen the need. And at least one that did later
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http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1208&u_sid=2355124

Fat lot of good that did them.
 
Anyone know what kind of weapon?

FWIW, I wouldn't hesitate to engage with a 1911... You just have to aim. A few years back, I was on a range trip with a friend who had just scoped his SKS... At 75 yards, I had about 6-8" spread out of a 6" .357... He was all over the target...

And you don't need to aim all that high either...

Now, with my kel-tec .380, I'd be doing the boogie to the door thang...
 
Thoughts and prayers to all the victims' families....
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i feel bad for the shooters family too... they forever will be associated by this selfish act of depravity even though most likely they had nothing to do with it...
 
Mall Shooter

The more I see of people, the more I love of dogs.

Prayers for the families of the victims.

Mr. Shooter has sealed his fate for all eternity.

Another example of gun control in action.
 
Jeff White said:
SOunds like a pretty good response time to me. Short of keeping a police detail at the mall, you aren't going to do much better then that.
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So, seriously, for once I'm not poking at you, Jeff. :D

But this does speak as to why citizen CCW is so vital. Even when the police are available immediately, response times aren't that great. (I swear, I'm not ragging on the cops, even if it sounds like it. I blame textual communications media.) 6 minutes is an amazing response time, and I don't fault the police at all.

But as the saying goes, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away". I like to think that even without a weapon, I'd have at least tried to take this guy down, but that may well be internet bravado, and my ego isn't too big to admit it. With a CCW, I'd have had a better chance.

Heck, I dunno. I'm at a loss for what to say. This was terrible. A truly horrifying experience. And I wish someone had been there to at least take a shot at this guy. My heart bleeds for the people who lost someone today. I can imagine my reaction if it had been my wife, and it's not pretty.

Whatever, I'm going to shut up and go have a drink, now.
 
Its amazing how many of these situations take place with out a ccw around.

thats it, im getting mine!!
 
The police took six minutes to get to a popular mall. But where were the mall security guards?
 
The police took six minutes to get to a popular mall. But where were the mall security guards?
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never seen a mall guard armed in any of the malls i went into... and besides, every armed guard i ever knew (except armored car guards) would have ran just as fast as the people getting shot at... $10 an hour doesnt pay enough to get shot at in most cases...
 
Anyone see a report with what type of ASSAULT RIFLE it was? I agree with most of you...the hillary conspiracies and those who believe the malls policies were not safe at all. But I did read another article that the police were at teh same mall on friday for a live grenade incident? My question is why was the mall not locked down completely after that?
 
First and foremost, what BamBam31 just said; there are 14 folks families out there that need some thoughts and prayers.

We lived in Omaha for 5 years after I got out of the Navy. It's a nice community. The OPD is a good solid department in the rank and file, and I know some of their tac guys: solid crew with good training and skills. A six minute response time is fantastic by anyones measure and should be recognized as such. We should all appreciate the fact they moved to and actively responded to this threat so quickly . Last year, we (first person, my family) actually had a 15 min wait (response time) to a shots fired scenario at my home in a small town where we live barely 5 min beyond the town limit. The guys were hauling butt to get there in that time span.

On the CCW issues; NE recently got their shall issue law although without a good antipreemption clause after a long battle with annual defeats. I'm pretty familiar with the whole aggravating history and I actually testified before the legislature back in 2000 or 2001 when that years bill was up in committee. Unfortunately, the lack of a preemption clause has enabled the City of Omaha and a large number of the businesses to post the "NO GUNS ALLOWED" sign. I recently was back visiting this summer and was absolutely appalled by this. At the time the folks we were visiting thought I was being a bit "cautions" as I didn't like being there a bit under those conditions. (Here in rural PA we ALWAYS carry). Unfortunately, this pattern repeats itself over and over and as most of us here know, disarming those most inclined or able to protect themselves and others is a tragic waste.

We should endeavor (in a high road fashion) to articulate this to anyone who we end up discussing this tragedy with. One guy or gal with a modicum of training and actively CCWing might have had the opportunity to reduce the number of folks this disturbed perp was able to shoot. You absolutely cannot predict or prevent lunatics (Luby's, Columbine, VA Tech, etc the list runs long) from coming unglued and trying to go out in their blaze of glory; the bare medical and practical truth is you can't prevent this. What we can do is work to ensure we all have the opportunity to protect ourselves and those we love by educating those around us so ignorance doesn't work to deprive us of that option. I suspect the gungrabbers will be out in force on this so let's meet it with rational discourse.

Regards,

Bob
 
Anyone see a report with what type of ASSAULT RIFLE it was?
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It almost certainly wasn't an assault rifle. That has a precise definition, including select fire, which makes it an NFA weapon.

This was probably an "assault weapon", which has a far more ambiguous definition, mostly based on being ugly and black.

It's an important distinction, because that ambiguity fools a LOT of people into thinking that people use full-auto, milspec weapons when what they really use is nothing more or less than a semi-automatic variant which has more in common with a hunting rifle than a milspec AK-47.
 
The police took six minutes to get to a popular mall. But where were the mall security guards?
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never seen a mall guard armed in any of the malls i went into... and besides, every armed guard i ever knew (except armored car guards) would have ran just as fast as the people getting shot at... $10 an hour doesnt pay enough to get shot at in most cases...
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True - and in a mall I frequented UNTIL they posted "no guns," I was told by management that mall security there is told NOT to intervene in any kind of attack, just 'get descriptions for the police!' :scrutiny:

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Its amazing how many of these situations take place with out a ccw around.

thats it, im getting mine!!
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Do so, but remember that you'd probably be safer WITHOUT a gun, and NOT in a 'no CCW' place, than WITH a gun and IN a 'no ccw' place.

Bloodthirsty psychopaths tend to prey upon people in areas where they are least likely to encounter armed resistance.
 
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Has anyone noticed that those acts are commited by "kids" ???

Columbine, VTech, now this, and many other inbetween... all commited by young people.

WHAT THE HE** ???

Also, how come things like this didn't happen in the past? 30 years ago?
 
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