Breaking: Omaha, NE mall shooting

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My mistake. It would be more accurate to say that China made a couple of SKS variations that used AK mags. :)
 
I'm guessing he just had two of those aftermarket duckbill magazines taped together.
 
the D and M models of the norinco sks accept ak magazines, d is full length, m is paratrooper length. its most likely that he was just using duckbills though...
 
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"The only way as a nation that we can possibly prevent these things from happening is to get everyone armed at all times."

Oh yeah that will make things better. We'll have the gunman shooting 8 innocents and all the untrained but well intentioned people doubling that death toll trying to take out the shooter. Sorry being armed is a serious business and I certainly wouldn't want everyone carrying. There are some people who shouldn't be allowed to drive, much less carry a firearm. Let's leave CCW voluntary ok? That way hopefully those who do choose to carry will be responsible enough to get some training and think about these scenarios in advance. I don't think arming everyone is a good idea.

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"6 minutes for police to arrive and it's over?"
SOunds like a pretty good response time to me. Short of keeping a police detail at the mall, you aren't going to do much better then that.

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"Hmm, how about, "4 seconds until a shopper terminated the man." Sound any better?"
How about impossible. Maybe if the shooting happened right in front of an armed citizen. Otherwise it's going to take a bit longer then that for someone to hear the shots, recognize them for what they are, locate the disturbance and move to a place they can engage the shooter.

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Jeff,

Thank you for taking the time to nit pick my response apart with your sense of correctness, and also for placing my words into your own context to better attack them.

I said "get everyone armed", but with that comes the great responsibility of carrying and handling the weapon. Of course everyone isn't going to be armed, as that day will never come. The fact that not everyone can use CCW is the obvious fact. But I'm talking about those that are active firearms users, take advantage of CCW and GET ARMED. I stretched to say everyone. We need more of these folks, not 1 in every 100. The unfortunate side that this sensible action has, is that it has no use in a mall which bans CCW to begin with. So, get people armed, and get rid of the CCW bans in public areas such as malls. What is the point of CCW if we are restricting its use in areas like this?

And Jeff, this 6 minutes "sounds like a pretty good response time"? Apparently 8 deaths is small potatoes to you. If we were an entirely smart nation, the amount of response time to an incident such as this, whether it be by police force or by armed citizens, should be seconds and not minutes. Instead we take the tools away to fix the job at hand, and the problem remains.

And 4 seconds is impossible unless there are armed citizens nearby? Thank you, the whole logic clicked for you then. The entire point I was trying to emphasize was that if we had nearby armed citizens, the response time would be greatly diminished and deaths could be less.
 
My deepest regards to the familys of those poor souls. May we here at The High Road keep that in mind while we nit pick the little details and what if's.:(
 
I've been listening to a couple of different radio programs tonight, and this is certainly not a studied observation, but I am getting the impression that the predominant outrage, at this point, is that the victims were not allowed to defent themselves. I suspect that their is a shift in perception that is moving in our direction.
Mauserguy
 
Oh great... Here comes all sorts of guesses... What's next - little grey martians?

GUYS - I know a lot of folks are going to get irritated about this, but we need to focus on the situation at hand. That means that some things are not important. I don't care what the nutjob's motivation was. I don't care what kind of rifle he used, whether it's chicom, russian, yugo, whatever, or just how you wish to narrowly define it - because that DOES NOT MATTER to the media. That's not a fight we can win. Because they don't care what the definition of "assault rifle" is - they just know it sounds sexy.

Are you with me on that? It doesn't matter. Can't do anything about it. Next problem?

Would would be REALLY nice would be if JUST ONE OF YOU has a picture of the mall's doors, with a sign prohibiting guns, or the mall's "code" prohibiting CCW... That's the link that any media outlet person that you can targ... er... contact needs to see in the morning. This _could_ have been prevented. Not just by someone who is a fair shot capping the loser (face it - his hearing would have been _gone_ after the first shot...), but by making the environment such that the loser wouldn't even consider the activity in the first place.
 
- Legal age limit for owning a rifle in Nebraska?
- Who bought it for him, especially since they all knew he had issues?
- Did the kid have a juvenile criminal record and/or a mental health issue history?

Hopefully these answers will come to light.

Very sad day for those people in Omaha.

jm
 
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Legal age limit for owning a rifle in Nebraska?
- Who bought it for him, especially since they all knew he had issues?
- Did the kid have a juvenile criminal record and/or a mental health issue history?

Hopefully these answers will come to light.
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I believe it is 19. You have to be over 18 to take out a loan........

He swiped it from his step-dad.

I gather he had "bad habits"...... substance abuse?
 
Sad. Tragic, all the way around.

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/120607dnnatmallshooting.6e6aa175.html

This particular link has an eyewitness account from a woman who saw him come off the elevator.

Renee Toney was working in the gift wrap area behind the customer service counter when the gunman came off a third-floor elevator and began firing shots into the ceiling.

"He was moving very fast," she said. The shots "were very, very fast, I would say closer to 30 in all."

A supervisor called for everyone to go into a stockroom behind the customer service area, and she rushed there, the others just feet behind her.

But she was the only one of her immediate co-workers to make it to the stockroom.

"None of them made it out," Ms. Toney said. "I was up front, and everybody except me was shot. It's a blur."
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Just sad. Now this woman has to deal with being the only survivor of this murderer's attack. ("Only survivor" as far as those in the immediate vicinity.) I think Pax put it best in "Does An Attacker Deserve to Die"? The question, "Could you really shoot him?" is in some ways the wrong one. "Could you really let him kill them (or you)," is a better one.

Imagine if she or a coworker had been armed and the mall allowed concealed carry.

Was he a crazy Christian militia member? I heard that he was some sort of Christian Identity movement person. I was curious.
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I didn't hear anything about that. Just for clarification, Christian and "Christian Identity" are two totally different things. Not mixing the two would be appreciated. :)
 
I was told reported a man dressed in camo carrying an assault weapon was running around a mall in Nebraska shooting someone. I was told that he was a young white male.

Oana: Actually the Christian Identity is an off shoot of main stream Christianity. The Christian Identity movement and others like it are just different branches of the Christian religion. Basically one has a different theology than others such as Catholicism, Baptism, or Methodism for example.

But I digress. I figured it was just a simple attack by a Christian terrorist group. Denfoote thought on page one that it was Islamic terrorists but we were both wrong. I know that many Christian terror organizations have been active out West in places such as Nebraska and Idaho.

Either way I suggest we start carrying often and fighting for the ability to carry in more places so that we have a chance at preventing this sort of thing.
 
Psychotropic Drugs

CNN TV reported that his friend believed he was taking medication for depression. I'll be interested to see if that is confirmed.

Here's an article with an interesting long list of shooting sprees committed by teenagers on psychiatric drugs. I know it represents a tiny percentage of the kids taking these drugs, but it is still such a common factor that you have to wonder if it might be part of the problem.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55310
 
I know it represents a tiny percentage of the kids taking these drugs, but it is still such a common factor that you have to wonder if it might be part of the problem.
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Yeah, I've wondered the same thing :(
In the school shooting in Finland recently reports mentioned the perpetrator was believed to be taking SSRI's.
 
I've been listening to a couple of different radio programs tonight, and this is certainly not a studied observation, but I am getting the impression that the predominant outrage, at this point, is that the victims were not allowed to defent themselves. I suspect that their is a shift in perception that is moving in our direction.
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yeah i was surprised to hear 2 MAJOR national radio hosts spout off at how ridiculous it is that the victims weren't allowed to be armed against this kind of attack...

I figured it was just a simple attack by a Christian terrorist group.
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I know that many Christian terror organizations have been active out West in places such as Nebraska and Idaho.
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yeah, those damn christian terrorists... what their super dangerous bibles in the nightstands at hotel rooms campaign? or the evil tree of violent warship?

go troll somewhere else moron
 
My memory's not very good anymore, but I was just thinking..........when was the last time you heard of this kind of thing happening in Israel?

Why do you suppose that is? :confused:

PJ
 
a while back, israel in response to school shootings started letting the older students and the faculty carry guns on campus... suprise, the shootings stopped...
 
Logos, I'm sure you're great with the G26. It's a good gun. I own one. But it's not a target pistol and the longer the range, the lower the probability of a hit no matter what, more so with a short sub compact gun. I'm not entirely confident of how far out I could reliably reach out and touch someone, but I'd sure as heck try. But if given the option, the G26 is not near the top of my list for 25 yard shooting.
 
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