Joe Demko
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...and when my older brother was about twelve or so, he got struck by lightning.
Carrying Into Other People's Homes
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...and when my older brother was about twelve or so, he got struck by lightning.
cstone
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How would my concealed handgun even come up in a conversation? I have friends and relatives who do not like guns. Most if not all of them know what I do for a living and many even know that I am authorized to carry 24/7. None of them have ever told me they do not want me to carry in their home. The issue just does not come up. I do not display my handgun. In fact, I take great care to conceal my handgun both out of respect/courtesy and for tactical reasons (has to do with situational awareness and not providing useful information to those who could use it to their advantage).
Like most people, I carry a basic load of stuff everyday. I try to carry those items in similar places on my person based on my training and appropriate clothing for the day's activities.
If for some reason a homeowner became aware that I had my concealed handgun on their property, and asked me to leave, I would do so. To do otherwise would be trespassing.
I don't know what each day will bring and what tools will be useful. I do know that if a life threatening situation occurs in my presence and I do not have all of the tools I am trained and authorized to possess with me, I will have to live with that failure for the rest of my life. Carrying a weapon is a burden I can live with. Carrying guilt for the death or serious injury of an innocent person or loved one is not a burden I am prepared to accept.
You of course are free to choose to do as your conscience leads. God bless America and the freedom we have to make these choices. May it always be this way and there will always be brave men and women who are willing to sacrifice to keep it this way.
Like most people, I carry a basic load of stuff everyday. I try to carry those items in similar places on my person based on my training and appropriate clothing for the day's activities.
If for some reason a homeowner became aware that I had my concealed handgun on their property, and asked me to leave, I would do so. To do otherwise would be trespassing.
I don't know what each day will bring and what tools will be useful. I do know that if a life threatening situation occurs in my presence and I do not have all of the tools I am trained and authorized to possess with me, I will have to live with that failure for the rest of my life. Carrying a weapon is a burden I can live with. Carrying guilt for the death or serious injury of an innocent person or loved one is not a burden I am prepared to accept.
You of course are free to choose to do as your conscience leads. God bless America and the freedom we have to make these choices. May it always be this way and there will always be brave men and women who are willing to sacrifice to keep it this way.
Bhamrichard
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You mean I'm the only one? I always enter a room announcing if I'm wearing the solid heather color or the blue N gray stripes today!
1. Always carry when legally possible. You never really know when you'll need it. With regards to entering a friend's house, the issue is not you needing protection against him...but rather, you may never know when you may need to give him self-defense assistance.
2. Always assume that when ever someone visits you (such as a salesperson) that they are armed. Remember, the bad guy is not going to announce to you that he is armed.
3. In the same light, people who support "notification requirements" (notifying the private homeowner that you are armed) is really hurting our rights to self protection. You do realize that such laws only hinder the law abiding. Criminals by their nature are not hindered by such laws.
2. Always assume that when ever someone visits you (such as a salesperson) that they are armed. Remember, the bad guy is not going to announce to you that he is armed.
3. In the same light, people who support "notification requirements" (notifying the private homeowner that you are armed) is really hurting our rights to self protection. You do realize that such laws only hinder the law abiding. Criminals by their nature are not hindered by such laws.
wsm
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Hey, Prof! I own a lot of weapons. Both shoulder and hand guns. As for interfering with your RIGHT to carry, you should understand that your RIGHT ends at the doorstep until you obtain permission of the resident to enter. PERIOD! I believe in my and your right to carry for personal reasons, but may Mom and Dad taught me 63 years ago that MY rights do not come before someone else's. All of that being said; I am not referring to Law Enforcement personnel of any kind. Most every one knows that a LEO is required, by most departments, to be armed 24/7. They are held accountable for their profession 24 hours of every day. Retired LEO's may carry into places that you and I can't. All of the ones I know don't out of respect for other people. That includes other guests in the home as well as the resident. If you feel that you must carry into someones home and not tell them because of your concern for your safety, then you probably would be much better off staying at home.
25cschaefer
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My friends know I'm carrying if I ask for a soda when they offer beer.
wsm
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It's me again, Prof. How does a homeowner/resident knowing that you are carrying hurting your right to self protection? As I said before, your right to carry end at his doorstep until he/she extends that right to you.
pikid89
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A. Concealed means concealed
B. I think in this situation, asking forgiveness would be better than asking permission, especially since you can follow it up a definitive proof that your gun wasnt harming anyone with its presence
B. I think in this situation, asking forgiveness would be better than asking permission, especially since you can follow it up a definitive proof that your gun wasnt harming anyone with its presence
hermannr
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I open carry. CPL is so I don't have to unload. If anyone has a problem with that, I don't need to visit them.
ObsidianOne
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And the solution to that problem is to not be outside when there's a storm.
Just like preventing or defending yourself from a violent crime while at someone else's residence is remaining armed.
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I don't carry anything that I would be overly distraught over losing, so locking it up in my vehicle isn't a problem. My insurance will cover any losses from that.
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I don't smoke, but I have friends that do. I ask them not to smoke in my home and they can either go outside or not come to visit. Their choice. If I had friends that objected to me carrying inside their home, I would respect their wishes.......that is what friends do. I would either lock it in the car or not go visit. Pretty simple, not a big deal.
lizziedog1
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Do some of you employ food tasters? If someone offers you food, it might be poisoned. So having someone else sample the food before you eat it keeps you alive. So, do you use food testers or take a chance?
mljdeckard
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Probably depends on whose home and what I'm there for.
It's not too often I go into the homes of strangers. It's very rare that I let someone else into my home. Just as an example of why, a few years ago, we had a new married couple move into our church congregation. I was looking up my neighborhood on Meagan's list as I do from time to time, and this nice new guy had a conviction for child rape. So, not even if I know them from church do I just let them into the house. I have a child with special needs, and under a state-funded program, we received in-home therapy for him. I googled and lexusnexus'd that teacher just to make sure. I regard it as a BIG DEAL to let someone into my house.
Therefore, I treat others the same way. I don't invite myself over to peoples' houses on a whim. I'm struggling to remember I was in someone's home that wasn't family or a close family friend, and they were all very aware I was carrying.
It's not too often I go into the homes of strangers. It's very rare that I let someone else into my home. Just as an example of why, a few years ago, we had a new married couple move into our church congregation. I was looking up my neighborhood on Meagan's list as I do from time to time, and this nice new guy had a conviction for child rape. So, not even if I know them from church do I just let them into the house. I have a child with special needs, and under a state-funded program, we received in-home therapy for him. I googled and lexusnexus'd that teacher just to make sure. I regard it as a BIG DEAL to let someone into my house.
Therefore, I treat others the same way. I don't invite myself over to peoples' houses on a whim. I'm struggling to remember I was in someone's home that wasn't family or a close family friend, and they were all very aware I was carrying.
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i find respecting the rules of a house is the normal way to go about it.
If someone states: no politics, or no religion - he may throw you out as well,
if u choose to preach or rant about it.
So if someone decides that ccw stops at his doorstep, his choice.
(i find the statement, that some here choose their firends only from their
own value and belief scheme ... bewildering.
I have a few friends that are very different from me. Even a reborn christian.
We´re friends. i´m the biggest atheist - he´s met the Lord. We talk and enjoy and laugh a lot.
Just 0.02$ to think about. )
+1 with GusMcRae btw.
i find respecting the rules of a house is the normal way to go about it.
If someone states: no politics, or no religion - he may throw you out as well,
if u choose to preach or rant about it.
So if someone decides that ccw stops at his doorstep, his choice.
(i find the statement, that some here choose their firends only from their
own value and belief scheme ... bewildering.
I have a few friends that are very different from me. Even a reborn christian.
We´re friends. i´m the biggest atheist - he´s met the Lord. We talk and enjoy and laugh a lot.
Just 0.02$ to think about. )
+1 with GusMcRae btw.
lizziedog1
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I do too. Great response!
mljdeckard
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It's not how I choose them, but if I have a friend who so fundamentally disagrees with something so important that they won't even let me in their house with a gun, it probably means that we are going to drift apart anyway for lack of common interests.
In my single days, I made many friends in the music scene, and some of them were anti-gun, but after getting to know and trust me, they weren't concerned if I carried into their houses.
In my single days, I made many friends in the music scene, and some of them were anti-gun, but after getting to know and trust me, they weren't concerned if I carried into their houses.
This. I carry all the time I can legally carry. I do avoid peoples homes where my carry would not be welcome. In my state, we are required to inform the resident.
What about the rights of the property owner?
See that is where we are missing the point. It's all about me and what I want.
gatorjames85
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I guess there is no reason to come inside during a thunderstorm, or allow concealed carry or people to use firearms for self defense. I mean, I have never had to use my CCW to protect myself (or gotten struck by lightning), why bother?
I carry everywhere. If my friend has a problem with it, they can tell me that they don't allow firearms in their homes and I will gladly remove the firearm from their home(and may just keep walking as well). So far nobody has said a word. I conceal carry...and they don't know that I am carrying anyways. But if it was a big deal I would assume they would ask if I'm armed prior to entering their home....no such thing has ever happened. I will continue to carry. It's not a big deal, they don't seem to mind at all
I'm sure many of you who cry foul don't stop people at the door and run down the list of things that you don't allow in your home prior to them entering. But it sure does seem like a "respect" issue to many of you. The emotional whaling is humorous to me.
I'm sure many of you who cry foul don't stop people at the door and run down the list of things that you don't allow in your home prior to them entering. But it sure does seem like a "respect" issue to many of you. The emotional whaling is humorous to me.
rellascout
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I am consistently amazed how many people on this board who scream about other people, govt, businesses etc... infringing on their rights especially the 2nd who has no problem trampling the rights of others in their pursuit to exercise their percieved rights. I see this come up about resturants, the workplace & business. Why is it that people who carry concealed believe that their lic/permit to carry a gun trumps other peoples property rights and gives them the right to infringe upon the rights of others?
Once you enter someone else's property your right to carry is no longer valid. It is at the sole discression of the property owner. As a result you owe it to the property owner to disclose and remove the weapon if asked. It is IMHO it is cut and dry. I do not ever carry into someone elses home without permission.
Once you enter someone else's property your right to carry is no longer valid. It is at the sole discression of the property owner. As a result you owe it to the property owner to disclose and remove the weapon if asked. It is IMHO it is cut and dry. I do not ever carry into someone elses home without permission.
Incorrect, it is still valid...but you can be asked to leave and must otherwise be charged with tresspassing. You can't just make up laws, haha.
Eh...no. This isn't the law...just your opinion. My opinion differs, as do many others.
Or leave...agreed.
It is actually...see my first response above to your post, it's that simple...leave if asked and there is no duty to inform. Your opinion is wrapped up in emotion, that is why you can't see it as cut and dry.
And that's your choice. I choose to. If they don't want me to they can let me know. So far they haven't (I CC).
It comes down to this...assume everyone you know is carrying anything they are legally allowed to into your home...some of which you may disagree with (Gun, Knife, Mace, Koran, Bible, lacy underwear, recording device, etc). It is the homeowners duty to tell them the prohibited items. It is not for me to run down everything on my person and inside my pants to make sure you are ok with it prior to entering your home.
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rellascout
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Did not take long for a poster child to appear.... youngda9 for the my rights get to trample your rights group. It is never fails.
There is not emotion involved on my part. Just observations of peoples arrogance.
You have no right to carry a weapon on private property which is not yours. You can be granted pernmission to carry but you do not have any "right". I can allow or revoke your privledge as the property owner at my discression. I can force you to remove your weapon and or yourself from my property if I do not want you carrying a gun on it and that removal can be done with the force of law. You, however, cannot force me the property owner to allow you to carry. Cut and dry.
There is not emotion involved on my part. Just observations of peoples arrogance.
You have no right to carry a weapon on private property which is not yours. You can be granted pernmission to carry but you do not have any "right". I can allow or revoke your privledge as the property owner at my discression. I can force you to remove your weapon and or yourself from my property if I do not want you carrying a gun on it and that removal can be done with the force of law. You, however, cannot force me the property owner to allow you to carry. Cut and dry.
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