Carrying Into Other People's Homes

[youngda9]

Did not take long for a poster child to appear.... youngda9 for the my rights get to trample your rights group. It is never fails.

Cute response...and namecalling signifies you're losing here

There is not emotion involved on my part. Just observations of peoples arrogance.

Yes...there is emotion involved. You somehow equate arrogance to not informing about a particular inanimate object.

You might have the same irrational reaction if I am carrying a knife...do you think people should stop on your doorstep to show you their swiss army knife before crossing the threshold. How am I supposed to know you don't like knifes on your property, I'll assume you do until told otherwise.

You might have the same irrational reaction to people wearing leather shoes(animal killer)...do you think people should stop on your doorstep to inform you that they are wearing leather? How am I supposed to know you don't like leather on your property, I'll assume you do until told otherwise.

You have no right to carry a weapon on private property which is not yours.

I do, until told otherwise. I will obey and all federal and state laws until notified on your property that you have a more refined set of laws that I must abide if I wish to stay.

Some states require you to inform the homeowner if you are carrying...but my state has no such law. Therefore it is perfectly legal for me to carry onto other people's property without informing.

You can be granted pernmission to carry but you do not have any "right".

You have that backwards. I can be denied permission...the 2A(federal) and my carry license(state supplied) sets the president until you tell me I cannot carry on your property.

I can allow or revoke your privledge as the property owner at my discression.

Revoke yes.

I can force you to remove your weapon and or yourself from my property if do not want you carrying a gun on it and do it with the force of law. You cannot force me the property owner to allow you to carry. Cut and dry.

Sure, agree with this statement.

 

[General Geoff]

Once you enter someone else's property your right to carry is no longer valid. It is at the sole discression of the property owner. As a result you owe it to the property owner to disclose and remove the weapon if asked. It is IMHO it is cut and dry. I do not ever carry into someone elses home without permission.

NOBODY here is arguing the fact that the property owner has final say over what is or isn't allowed on his/her property. The point of contention here is presumption of conditional entrance to the property. You say that it's owed to the property owner to disclose that you are carrying concealed, I say it's illogical to presume somebody would not want you carrying on their property (unless you have other reasons to believe they would). As has been mentioned, a gun is one thing among many personal effects people carry on them from day to day, and to me it's as ridiculous to disclose that I'm carrying a gun, as it is to disclose that I have mismatching socks. If the property owner has a problem with people wearing mismatching socks, or carrying guns, in his home, he is completely within his rights to make that clear to all who enter the property, so they have the option to match their socks/disarm, or leave.

I think it boils down to this: You think that someone carrying a gun is an anomaly, something that is special and therefore the gun carrier should feel guilty or assume that people might disapprove of their carrying a gun. I think it's the most normal thing in the world, therefore does not require special disclosure; because people should assume everyone they meet is armed.

 

[youngda9]

Well said GG. Agreed 100%

 

[mljdeckard]

They exercise their property owner's right when they CHOOSE to let someone in without knowing everything about them. They can always refuse to let you in in the first place. THAT is their right.

In states with pre-emption, property owners do not decide if carry is allowed on their property. They decide if PEOPLE are allowed on their property.

 

[rellascout]

I say it's illogical to presume somebody would not want you carrying on their property (unless you have other reasons to believe they would). As has been mentioned, a gun is one thing among many personal effects people carry on them from day to day, and to me it's as ridiculous to disclose that I'm carrying a gun, as it is to disclose that I have mismatching socks. If the property owner has a problem with people wearing mismatching socks, or carrying guns, in his home, he is completely within his rights to make that clear to all who enter the property, so they have the option to match their socks/disarm, or leave.

I think it boils down to this: You think that someone carrying a gun is an anomaly, something that is special and therefore the gun carrier should feel guilty or assume that people might disapprove of their carrying a gun. I think it's the most normal thing in the world, therefore does not require special disclosure; because people should assume everyone they meet is armed.

The reality is that you have no idea what people want or do not want done on their property until they make it known. I am believe out of respect for the property owner that if you really respect other peoples rights you disclose that you are carrying before entering someone else's home. If I want other people to respect the rights I consider important I should respect theirs. I personally think private property rights are right up there with speech and the 2nd.

People are forgetting that you are a guest and you are not entitled to bring a deadly weapon onto their property. I understand that many guns owners believe that they have the right to carry a gun where ever they please. Those often express it in threads like this which simply make me shake my head in shame, as a gun owner.

I would not bring a gun into someone else's home without permission just like I would not pray out loud before a meal without permission. See the reality is that I am not assuming anything. I unlike most of the people are not making aassumptions about the property owner but instead am being up front and informing the property owner I am armed and asking their permission which IMHO is the right thing to do since again I am their guest. YMMV and obviously for most of you it does.

 

[General Geoff]

People are forgetting that you are a guest and you are not entitled to bring a deadly weapon onto their property.

You keep trying to make a gun seem like some magical, evil device that requires disclosure to every property owner. It's just a piece of steel, not plutonium!

I unlike most of the people are not making aassumptions about the property owner but instead am being up front and informing the property owner I am armed and asking their permission which IMHO is the right thing to do since again I am their guest.

Do you ask their permission to wear glasses in their home? Or permission to bring an inhaler or other drugs into their home before entering? How about your keys? Or a folding knife? I consider these to be of no less importance than a sidearm, yet I don't presume a home owner has anything against these. What makes a gun so special?

 

[rellascout]

You keep trying to make a gun seem like some magical, evil device that requires disclosure to every property owner. It's just a piece of steel, not plutonium!

Nothing magical about it but I understand not everyone views them the same way I do I am not so arrogant to believe that everyone shares my beliefs when it comes to guns.

They are a divisive issue and if you do not know and understand that your head is buried in the sand.

Do you ask their permission to wear glasses in their home? Or permission to bring an inhaler or other drugs into their home before entering? How about your keys? Or a folding knife? I consider these to be of no less importance than a sidearm, yet I don't presume a home owner has anything against these. What makes a gun so special?

This is nothing but strawman arguement. The subject at hand is not diclosure of keys or an inhaler.

 

[General Geoff]

The subject at hand is not diclosure of keys or an inhaler.

Tell me what makes voluntary disclosure of a gun that much more imperative, then.

 

[JoelSteinbach]

Every one I know is aware that I am armed at all times.

 

[Nushif]

I made many friends in the music scene, and some of them were anti-gun, but after getting to know and trust me, they weren't concerned if I carried into their houses.

While I'm no musician ... this. I have a *lot* of friends who view the world entirely different from me. But none of them would object to me carrying a concealed gun.
Ultimately I can't help but think that at least some of these people who get barred from carrying have given some kind of "vibe" that they ought not to. It may be horribly ... stereotyping? That's not the right word ... something. But nobody I have ever run across who knows that I'm a bona fide gun nut has ever objected to me carrying around them.

 

[rstull85]

It depends on who's home it is. If I know they carry or agree with people carrying then I don't worry about it. If I know that they have a problem with guns (usually my wife's friends) I leave it in the car. Once I can afford to get something a little smaller and don't have to worry about printing as much, then I won't worry about leaving it in the car as much.

 

[milefile]

Do you normally inform someone that you carry prior to going to their home with the gun, or if you're going to a friends do you just not carry?
I know some are made uncomfortable or offended by carrying without their consent.
What is the proper etiquette?

I have carried into homes where I know they would freak out if they knew. But it's called concealed for a reason. They have no idea. ANd I suspect even if they did catch a glimpse of a belt clip or something they wouldn't have the balls to call me out on it, even if they knew what it was.

But most places I go most of the men are armed.

 

[gym]

I have never been asked if I was carrying a gun in 40 years of carrying a gun. This has been asked and answered several times, and sometimes it's worth doing a search first, before covering this discussion for the tenth time. No harm intended, just trying to be helpfull.
Some of you think too much or like to bring up things for no good reason other than to take a side to an oncoming bullcrap session that you started. I never was asked not to come in to a friend or relatives home or if I had a gun on me. Most people don't ask you what you have in your pockets prior to letting you in for thanksgiving. I don't see why this kind of crap gets started in the first place. I carry for 40 years, and I don't think about if I have a gun on me, why should anyone else.
I never went to anyones house , and I get around having been in 5 businesses in 50 years, where anyone said, by the way do you have a gun, never happened. I don't know where you people who ask this syuff live but NY and FL are pretty populated states and if no one ever asked me in either one, this is just another blowhard session.

 

[ForumSurfer]

I have carried into homes where I know they would freak out if they knew. But it's called concealed for a reason.

This.

I carry everywhere it is legally possible. If I go to a kid's birthday party, I'll still carry. I also realize that better than 50% of the other parents would freak out if they knew. If I'm asked to leave and not return, I'm ok with that. There was a discussion on here once about a domestic dispute that turned deadly when the ex showed up with a hunting rifle. I'd rather risk being "made" and being branded "that crazy guy who carries a gun" than be caught in a situation wishing I had my weapon as I was staring down some other guy's barrel.

I respect their rights and they should respect mine. I have the right to carry concealed in several areas. They have the right to tell me not to carry concealed, if they figure it out. Not my problem.

 

[Loosedhorse]

This is one of those topics, I think, where no matter your stance, it seems "obviously" the right one. So, perhaps it's understandable that I think I'm right, too:

First, you are visiting a friend's house through invitation--either previously given or in response to a knock. Was that invitation conditional on not bringing a firearm? If it was, then you should obey the condition.

Is there a legal duty in your state to inform when entering another's residence? Then you should do so.

Do you have--short of an expressed prohibition on bringing guns inside your friend's house--a sincere belief that he would prohibit it if asked and that if he finds out your carrrying it will hurt the friendship? Well, this is a tough point for me. I'm not sure. Perhaps we can explore this situation.

As to needing a "reason" to carry--in a friend's home or elsewhere--no, I don't feel I need a reason, other than general preparedness. I don't wear a seatbelt only if I'm expecting to crash.

 

[milefile]

This is one of those topics, I think, where no matter your stance, it seems "obviously" the right one. So, perhaps it's understandable that I think I'm right, too:

First, you are visiting a friend's house through invitation--either previously given or in response to a knock. Was that invitation conditional on not bringing a firearm? If it was, then you should obey the condition.

Is there a legal duty in your state to inform when entering another's residence? Then you should do so.

Do you have--short of an expressed prohibition on bringing guns inside your friend's house--a sincere belief that he would prohibit it if asked and that if he finds out your carrrying it will hurt the friendship? Well, this is a tough point for me. I'm not sure. Perhaps we can explore this situation.

As to needing a "reason" to carry--in a friend's home or elsewhere--no, I don't feel I need one, other than general preparedness. I don't wear a seatbelt only if I'm expecting to crash.

This, to me, just panders to the ridiculous notion that guns are bad. I guess, at the end of the day, I'm kind of a pro-firearms activist.

 

[Loosedhorse]

Panders, huh?

I thought I was just supporting a property owner's rights, and something called honesty. If the property owner had a thing against mint breath spray, my position would be the same. Whether I think a property owner should exclude any given item from his property doesn't really enter into it.

 

[lizziedog1]

I wonder what some of you would do if Jessica Alba invited you into her home but said you couldn't bring your gun?

 

[mustang_steve]

Only once. Once a friend lets me know they carry, I assume they're always carrying. We see no need to announce each time we enter each other's homes, just that one time to let each other know we do carry. It's handy to know the field if something requiring force does happen. Surprises when adrenaline is pumping isn't a good idea...especially when it's a loud boom from your side that wasn't expected.

 

[ZeSpectre]

This is one of those topics, I think, where no matter your stance, it seems "obviously" the right one. So, perhaps it's understandable that I think I'm right, too:

Interesting thought. I'm pretty sure I only know what is right -for me-. My stance goes like this, I carry wherever I legally can and if I'm not welcome then I don't go there if at all possible.

It does astonish me that some folks will entrust their life and property to me repeatedly (say as designated driver or sitting their kids, pets, house) and then think that somehow owning and carrying a firearm makes me untrustworthy.

 

[Travis McGee]

Don't ask, don't tell, don't show.

 

[Neverwinter]

Do some of you employ food tasters? If someone offers you food, it might be poisoned. So having someone else sample the food before you eat it keeps you alive. So, do you use food testers or take a chance?

This is a solved problem. The solution is to crowdsource the tasting to the people around you. Only eat "family-style" meals or food prepared in front of you from materials which other people have eaten from(eg. Subways, salad bars, buffet lines).

For those who demand involuntary disclosure, I have a series of questions. Would it be permissible if the person was carrying a Steyr M-series pistol whose key lock has been engaged and the key was not on their person? Would it be permissible if the pistol was unloaded? If either of these answers are NO, please explain your reasoning.

 

[Robert]

please explain your reasoning.

A homeowner should not have to explain anything to anyone when in their own home.

 

[Mr.Davis]

I am consistently amazed how many people on this board who scream about other people, govt, businesses etc... infringing on their rights especially the 2nd who has no problem trampling the rights of others in their pursuit to exercise their percieved rights. I see this come up about resturants, the workplace & business. Why is it that people who carry concealed believe that their lic/permit to carry a gun trumps other peoples property rights and gives them the right to infringe upon the rights of others?



Once you enter someone else's property your right to carry is no longer valid. It is at the sole discression of the property owner. As a result you owe it to the property owner to disclose and remove the weapon if asked. It is IMHO it is cut and dry. I do not ever carry into someone elses home without permission.

Do you also ask permission to park in their driveway, bring over an alcoholic beverage, keep a pack of cigarettes in your pocket, or carry a pocket knife? Those things are just as legal as carrying a gun...why don't they require special explicit permission?

 

[medic15al]

I carry everywhere and concealed means concealed. I have gone into many a persons house armed and quite frankly dont care if he/she likes it or not. If they don't, I will bid a quick farewell and leave.