carrying with one in the chamber
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it is absolutely safe if you know what you are doing and are safe in how you handle a gun.. now, it you are lax in your handling, then it is not safe, and, more than not carrying one in the chamber, you should not carry the gun at all until you can handle it safely.
Your friend either needs a new holster or is not careful.
I've carried a Glock 19 for 15 years and a 1911A1 for 2 years with one in the chamber.
A Glock (with "no safety") is exactly as safe as any revolver I've carried.
In the times that I'ved needed my handgun, I was VERY glad that it was actually loaded.
-- John
I've carried a Glock 19 for 15 years and a 1911A1 for 2 years with one in the chamber.
A Glock (with "no safety") is exactly as safe as any revolver I've carried.
In the times that I'ved needed my handgun, I was VERY glad that it was actually loaded.
-- John
CAVHOOAH
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Absolutely SAFE ! Ive carried 1911's for years cocked and locked....the only thing that will kill you is complacency.
I know every time I handle my carry pistol, it is loaded....everytime !
I agree with the above.....if your buddy had an A.D.....it was his own fault and should not carry anymore untill he learns to be steadfast in the basics of firearm handling.
Could have been me or my child (or anyone) in the area when it happened....and that my friends....would be tragedy due to stupidity.
Dont be a poster boy for Sarah Brady !
I know every time I handle my carry pistol, it is loaded....everytime !
I agree with the above.....if your buddy had an A.D.....it was his own fault and should not carry anymore untill he learns to be steadfast in the basics of firearm handling.
Could have been me or my child (or anyone) in the area when it happened....and that my friends....would be tragedy due to stupidity.
Dont be a poster boy for Sarah Brady !
kingpin008
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As others have said, it's perfectly safe provided you follow a few simple safety rules.
The only ways the gun can go off in that situation are:
1. The user accidentally allows his or her finger or clothing to enter the trigger guard while drawing or re-holstering, firing the gun.
or
2. The gun is ridiculously damaged and somehow manages to fire by itself.
Obviously, number one is much more likely, which is why it's critical to keep your booger hook off the bang switch at all times.
The only ways the gun can go off in that situation are:
1. The user accidentally allows his or her finger or clothing to enter the trigger guard while drawing or re-holstering, firing the gun.
or
2. The gun is ridiculously damaged and somehow manages to fire by itself.
Obviously, number one is much more likely, which is why it's critical to keep your booger hook off the bang switch at all times.
Cuzzin
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Perfectly safe to carry with a chambered round - however, not for your friend!! The friend needs to learn to keep the booger hook off da bang switch. Seriously - where did the 'friend' learn firearms 101?? Give this to your friend and tell them as penance they must write it 1,000 times:
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
AllAmerican
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I always carry with one in the pipe.
.. but that is another thread and another argument...
Animal Mother
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I've carried my P3AT with one in the tube for a couple of years now with no problems. And I can't believe I'm the first to say this in the thread, but...
Keep your booger hook off the bang switch!
Keep your booger hook off the bang switch!
CAVHOOAH
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your not Animal...read post #6, rule three.
Carrying a weapon in condition 3 (loaded magazine, empty chamber) is accepted. In a properly designed modern firearm there is no mechanical advantage in safety from this type of carry.
There is, additionally, no substitute for proper observance of the 'rules'. In your friends instance, he had placed his finger on the trigger when he was not prepared to discharge the weapon.
Finally, as the man says, there is little more useless than an unloaded gun, especially when you need a loaded one.
There is, additionally, no substitute for proper observance of the 'rules'. In your friends instance, he had placed his finger on the trigger when he was not prepared to discharge the weapon.
Finally, as the man says, there is little more useless than an unloaded gun, especially when you need a loaded one.
Damon555
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You carry a gun because you might (hopefully never) need it. Shouldn't it be ready when you pull it out? Keep that finger off the trigger until it's time to fire the weapon.
10-Ring
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I've been carrying my Glocks, Berettas, HKs & wheelguns -- round chambered & safety off for almost a 1/4 century....the key is a quality holster & keeping your finger off the trigger!
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Condition 0 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the safety is off.
Condition 1 - Also called "cocked and locked", this means that a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety is on.
Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked.
Condition 3 - There is no round in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked but a fully loaded magazine is inserted in the mag well.
Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, the hammer is uncocked and there is no magazine inserted in the mag well
A Glock with 1 in the chamber would fall under Condition 0 right? I prefer cocked and locked or Condition 1 via a 1911 or HK USP V1. My Kahr PM9 is like Condition 2. It requires a relatively long and heavish (6lbs or so) pull. I feel perfectly safe with my PM9. Condition 3 and 4... you might as well not even carry.
Condition 1 - Also called "cocked and locked", this means that a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety is on.
Condition 2 - A round is in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked.
Condition 3 - There is no round in the chamber, the hammer is uncocked but a fully loaded magazine is inserted in the mag well.
Condition 4 - The chamber is empty, the hammer is uncocked and there is no magazine inserted in the mag well
A Glock with 1 in the chamber would fall under Condition 0 right? I prefer cocked and locked or Condition 1 via a 1911 or HK USP V1. My Kahr PM9 is like Condition 2. It requires a relatively long and heavish (6lbs or so) pull. I feel perfectly safe with my PM9. Condition 3 and 4... you might as well not even carry.
It depends on the gun, the holster, and the user.
If the gun has a stout trigger, maybe some kind of safety, and you know won't fire when dropped etc then yeah its ok to keep one in the chamber.
If the user isn't a very careful person I wouldn't recommend it, but if you know what you're doing then its ok.
If the gun has a stout trigger, maybe some kind of safety, and you know won't fire when dropped etc then yeah its ok to keep one in the chamber.
If the user isn't a very careful person I wouldn't recommend it, but if you know what you're doing then its ok.
Animal Mother
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No, I meant the exact phrase.
earplug
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Competition works
Many forms of modern handgun competition starts out with a loaded firearm holstered.
Competition and safety classes prior to competition has provided us with many fine holsters and firearm designs that work with very light triggers.
People who don't compete and don't take training, frequently get sloppy in their handling of weapons and end up discharging them when not wanted.
Competitive shooting always has a range officer to monitor the shooter of any infraction of safe firearm handling. Compete and practice long enough and the limitations of your equipment will show up and your mental safety will be improved.
Firearms competion is no different then motor vehicle racing. They both improve the device and the operator.
Many forms of modern handgun competition starts out with a loaded firearm holstered.
Competition and safety classes prior to competition has provided us with many fine holsters and firearm designs that work with very light triggers.
People who don't compete and don't take training, frequently get sloppy in their handling of weapons and end up discharging them when not wanted.
Competitive shooting always has a range officer to monitor the shooter of any infraction of safe firearm handling. Compete and practice long enough and the limitations of your equipment will show up and your mental safety will be improved.
Firearms competion is no different then motor vehicle racing. They both improve the device and the operator.
AKElroy
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His Glock did exactly what it was designed to do. If your freind wants to avoid having it fire unexpectedly, he should refrain from pulling the trigger, either on purpose or accidentally.
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my cousin accidently shot himself
in the lower stomach the bullet
went out his upper leg.. he was taking his gun out of the holster
his dog jumped on him and the gun went off, luckly my cousin knew what to do to stop the bleeding
the EMT's were surprised he didn't pass out from the loss of blood he was awake when they arrived
so no it's not safe to have one in the chamber. my cousin is lucky to be alive
in the lower stomach the bullet
went out his upper leg.. he was taking his gun out of the holster
his dog jumped on him and the gun went off, luckly my cousin knew what to do to stop the bleeding
the EMT's were surprised he didn't pass out from the loss of blood he was awake when they arrived
so no it's not safe to have one in the chamber. my cousin is lucky to be alive
ScareyH22A
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What got caught on the trigger? Not his finger right?
CAVHOOAH
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I disagree.....for a responsible firearm owner with his carry pistol.... It is not safe to NOT have a round in the chamber.
I can see it now... "hold on mr. robber, while I pull out my pistol, disengage the safety and rack the slide to chamber a round please"....
Yeah right. Learn how to properly carry and use a firearm....or dont carry or own one at all.
Simple as that.
I can see it now... "hold on mr. robber, while I pull out my pistol, disengage the safety and rack the slide to chamber a round please"....
Yeah right. Learn how to properly carry and use a firearm....or dont carry or own one at all.
Simple as that.
See my post here. Glocks are no more unsafe than other handguns.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5494080#post5494080
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5494080#post5494080
AKElroy
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Glad your cousin made it through. I lost my great-uncle to a .410 loaded w/ birdshot; he grabbed the barrel & pulled it toward himself accross the seat of his truck. It snagged on something, fired, and he took a fatal load of #8 in the gut. That was on a hunt, and that was hardly a defensive weapon. When I am hunting, every long arm is muzzle to the carpet / chamber empty & open, or it is not welcome in my truck. These types of tragedies only reinforce the need for proper training for the intended use. Carry guns are worthless unloaded. I can list dozens or reasons for loaded chamber carry; for starters, I want my CCW to be operational with 1 hand. While it is not impossible to rack a slide one handed, having a BG wait for me to pull off that miracle is not something I am willing to bet on. You did not provide much detail regarding how your cousin had this happen; Only that his dog jumped on him causing a tragic AD. I have a 7 year old, and I DO NOT handle my weapons when he is climbing on or around me. I am sorry for your cousin's painful experience & I am glad he is around to tell this story, but I would bet that was not the first time that dog jumped on him. Even then, had his finger not been on the trigger, this would not have happened. Unless the dog shot him, in which case he should write a book & make some money.
I don't really see that as much of a problem. Most safeties can be disengaged with a simple thumb flick and you can rack the slide while aiming.
Unless the BG already has a gun pointed at you, that extra 1/2 of a second isn't going to hurt, and even if he did I doubt he is going to let you even live long enough to draw any handgun anyways.
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Although I'm not fond of hair trigger carry, I cannot agree with carrying unchambered. If someone is uncomfortable with carrying a Glock, they should carry something else, either a DA or something with a thumb safety.
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