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However, Ruger did sell gobs of the P-85's and 89's back in the day. Most of the stores had long waiting lists.
Boy,
Elmer, did they ever!
It was more than 2½ years from the time Sturm Ruger announced the P85 'til they shipped the first ones for real, and in the process crippled S&W's pistol sales as everyone was anxious to grab the first Ruger centerfire pistol for that reason, and remember, the announced MSRP was $299!
They had orders for 10,000 pistols before the P85s were ever shipped, which made it a major success from the jump, and before customers realized that it was big, clunky and rattled like a flivver… and was closer to $350 by the time it was on the shelves, and by that time S&W was back in the game big tine, and Glock was well on its way to being the biggest thing to hit our shores since The Beatles.
It was also the start of the big S-R/S&W war which saw Bill Ruger institute his "
if you wanna carry Rugers you can't carry Smiths" edict with distributors… not a tough decision for distributors, really, as Ruger had some of the most popular firearms in the known universe… the 10/22, the Mini-14, the Mark II target/plinkers… across the entire spectrum of shotguns as well as rimfire and centerfire handguns and rifles, and Smith under the aegis of first Bangor-Punta and then Lear-Sigler, had diddley, having dropped their ammo line and their (good value!) S&W-branded Howa long guns!
That war lasted for several years 'til S&W, now under the aegis of Tomkins, nuked the Newport-Southport-Prescott axis with the famous "
Thicker May Be Better with Burgers and Shakes, but What Does It Have To Do with Handguns?" adv.
But back on topic: the Glock kB!s I've documented… an issue I've not aggressively pursued for almost ten years now… have occurred
predominantly with re-loaded or remanufactured ammunition. There are reasons why a Glock-shooter is at greater risk with re-loaded or remanufactured ammo, but you won't hear about it from the gnomes of Smyrna or Deutsch-Wagram. (Hey!, although it's nowhere in their manual, it wasn't until the 2002 or so Glock Annual (vanity-published by Harris) that formally warned about not shooting lead projectiles, and why!)
Comes now
don10m with his tuppence-ha'penny:
Well a good friend of mine owns the biggest gun store in and around our area in Etowah county, Alabama I asked him about the glock kb yesterday, he stated that he has sold thousands of Glocks and never seen a kb out of not even one of them, and everyone that says they were using factory ammo, were you there, I'm sure that some may have been from factory ammo but I'll bet alot wasn't.
That's no longer at issue here… what thread have you been reading?
But I'm tired of all the Glock kb thing I've put tens of thousands or rounds through my glocks and never even so much as a sputter, no malfunctions whatsoever. So I'll say this and I'll leave it alone, Glocks are here to stay, and no matter how much you wine about it…
Again, what thread have you been reading? Why the invidious characterization?
…70% of police departments use them, if 70% of the departments used a different single gun manufactor then you would here more problems with them…
- And you base these number on what source? Cite please.
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- With all due respect, as much as I can muster, at least, that smacks of Tennifer-Sniffing… the ol' "well naturally you hear about more Glock problems, because there are more Glocks out there" stuff.
…even the beloved Colt had their problems with the delta elite handling the 10mm load, saw a bit of kb's with them.
Nope… not supportable, and the only firearm with which I ever experienced a catastrophic event was in
December 1991 with a 10mm Colt's Double Eagle whose chamber had been grievously hogged out at the factory!
The first Delta Elites… the mere introduction of which "saved" the MM chambering for posterity… experienced frame-cracking in the area immediately above the slide stop aperture. Colt's solved that very simply by removed that metal "bridge" and that's why those pistols have "slide stop notches," rather than the conventional "slide stop holes." (An almost Biblical solution, really… "if thy eye offend thee, pluck it out!")
One has to remember, also, that the only 10mm rounds extant in 1986-87 were what we now know as "full power" ones from Norma, and while the 200-grain FMC were "stout," the 170-grain PCs were pretty hairy!
Frame-cracking is far, far from a "
kB!!"
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