Glock Imperfection

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I would really like to know whick river Southern Rebel threw that Glock into. I bet it would still work great.
 
3pairs12: "DOD you must be blind because in the thread where he cited millions carry glocks he included civilians. Do you honestly think for a second that millions of people around he world don't carry a glock."

I know for a fact that millions of people around the world don't carry a Glock.

"I don't know about you but I live in pretty upscale town. Top 100 in Forbes for years running."

Okay.

"The issue weapon here for 10 or so years have been glocks. So I wouldn't limit them to just the low rent districts."

And how unfortunate it is that your Mobile Home Park Association is so cheap with Park Security issue weapons.

"Now I am not saying they are the best or the worst but in a country with 300+ million firearms its niave to think millions arent being carried."

I happen to know for a fact that millions of Glocks aren't being carried. Production figures alone prove it.
 
Alright ambulance chaser what are the production figures?

And how unfortunate it is that your Mobile Home Park Association is so cheap with Park Security issue weapons.
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I am not your nieghbor or client. You make false claims such as poorly served departments issue them and thats all. You really need to leave your mom's basement from time to time.

GLOCKS are also by far the most common handguns among law enforcement agencies in the United States; many estimates place GLOCK'S market share among USA Police departments at over 60% (based on total number of guns sold, not percentage of departments).
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Among tens of thousands of potential customers, precisely thirty four police agencies around the world will admit to carrying Glocks:

http://www.glockfaq.com/markings.htm

As noted in this Wiki article, unlike, say, S&W, Colt or Beretta, Glock is a small, privately-held company and refuses to release its limited production figures:

http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Glock

Nevertheless, some have extrapolated production figures based on serial numbering and factory tips. According thereto, it's basically a small Austrian plastic gun company with a small production volume, selling mostly to kids and to bangers plus, until 2007, the Fiji Tactical Response Unit:

http://www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=29931
 
So if you can't find the production numbers how can you claim that the production numbers alone show that millions aren't being carried?
My Glock wasn't made in Austria, they must be getting pretty big these days since they can make them here also.
The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation issues all agents graduating from the FBI Academy a Glock 22 or Glock 23 according to the agent's preference.[3] As well, .40 caliber Glock pistols are issued to all new agents of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.[4]
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I thought that you said the FBI doesn't carry Glocks. It looks like some of them are. Taken from the link you provided.
 
3 pairs

They have a place called the real world and Glock is the most carried law enforcement sidearm. They own more than 60% of the US police business.

The facts are there and he refuses to accept them.
 
I know we all like to try and back our opinion with facts, but I have to say that some of the sources being cited here leave a little to be desired. Not trying to pick on you DoD, but is glockfaq to be considered "scholorly" or factual, it looks a little like an advertisement. I'm not trying to take a shot at you, I'm just asking...
 
All that link showed was EXAMPLES of SOME police agencies that have requested custom serial numbers. It doesn't say anything about:

Total number of Glocks made in either Austria OR GA
Total number SOLD in the U.S. or anywhere else
Total numbers of police agencies that authorize their carry
Total number of agencies that REQUIRE their carry

It doesn't prove anything.
 
Big Macs are sold in their millions annually to consumers all over the planet.

Of course it then follows that they are the best tasting food, let alone hamburgers, that one could possibly consume.:rolleyes:

Never confuse popularity with any other product trait. Time and again the buying public has proven to the world that a large percentage of people in the market for anything have no taste and will opt for cheapness over most, if not all, other buying criteria.

The Glock is in that exact "sweet" spot. It passes the Big Mac's "beats starving" threshold at a reasonable price, where the Glock passes as a plain jane weapon that functions as advertised, but which is also just as dissatisfying as a pistol overall as the Big Mac is as a meal.

But hey, IT'S POPULAR!

BFD, so too are contrived musical acts. They still suck.
 
Pizzagunner: "But hey, IT'S POPULAR!"

Not around here. This afternoon I confirmed by telephone conversation with the Maine Attorney General and the Maine State Police that Glocks specifically are banned from Maine LEO issue or even backup carry for safety reasons.

Keep your plastic water pistols away. Thank you.
 
I am not sure who you are calling fan boy DoD, but I have stated nothing about the quality only the popularity. Pizzagunner I am not sure if you have read the past few posts, they were only pointing to the numbers not the quality.
 
I dont own a glock for the same reason I do not own a toyota corolla.

It is practical, economical, reliable... and gets you from point a to point b.

Personally, like prefer Zoom Zoom, or a big V8 Camaro.

Glocks do not fit my hands at all. I rented a full size 45 and 9mm, the 45 was a good shooter, but hurt my hand. the 9mm was a good shooter but only with a rubber gel overgrip.

Would I own one? Nope, I prefer the feel of the M&P, or Beretta 92fs. I would even take an XD over it.
Would I trust my life to a glock? without a doubt... but it is just not my cup of tea.
 
Owned a few glocks over the years and i have to say they are robust pistols . Other than that i never found much to like about them . If you like them fine then carry/shoot them . I believe tho ill continue to use what suits me .
 
I do not understand the fasciantion with a glock. I have owned 2 of them a glock 17 and 22. I could not hit the broadside of a barn with them while inside the barn. The first I bought dirt cheap and had always heard many great things about them. The 2nd I was given to settle a debt from a guy I did some remodeling work for. The things don't fit my hands, they were not comfortable to shoot. You guys can have them. I'll stick with my SIG P226 and my 92fs. I am not saying they are not good guns I just don't think they are near the gun everyone says they are. I would venture to say I would rate them between a high point and a jennings bryco.:D

The local LEO around here almost all carry glocks in .40 cal. Most of the guys I no were pissed when they took away there S&W and went to glock though.
 
I have a glock 22 40cal and a glock 32 357sig, both are accurate and reliable, but I prefer shooting my colt, it just feels better to me, I can't complain about any of them as far as the way they are built
 
I am curious to know why some people might find Glock Perfection to be less than true.
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I guess I'll join in........

Glocks seem to have a higher than normal rate of unintended discharges. I do not know whether this is because less skilled gun handlers tend to carry them, whether less safety concious gun handlers tend to carry them, or whether it is a flaw in the safety on the trigger concept. It isn't because Glocks are carried by more people than anything else. They are not. They are a popular handgun, but the rate seems to be greater than other handguns combined, or at least significant enough to make one wonder whether the pistol was a Glock any time an unintended discharge occurs.

The last unintended discharge that happened to a person I know occured when the bead on the waist lanyard of his jacket entered the triggerguard on reholstering. Yep, the gun was a Glock. The man had his trigger finger indexed on the frame as he was supposed to, and still shot himself in the thigh.

In my opinion a handgun with the only safety (outside the shooter's head) on the trigger, with a trigger pull as light as a Glock, is not a handgun that is designed for the casual shooter. Even a highly trained shooter could screw things up under the stress of actual self defense. Of course that could happen with any gun.

I think a handgun that costs more than ten dollars and does not hang in a blister pack in the grocery store should have metal sights provided by the manufacturer.

The grip angle is wrong for me. Others may vary. Oddly, I prefer the same grip angle on the Ruger MKII, but the grip is more narrow. Others may find the grip ideal.

I wonder why Glocks are not used to compete in shooting sports if they are the next best thing since Saran wrap. Why doesn't Todd Jarrett use a Glock if they are the best? Rob Leatham? Jerry Miculek? Kay Clark? Brian Enos? Any top shooter that is not on the officially sponsored Glock team? Why does Glock have to have their own tournaments and shoots? Why can't 1911s compete in those tournaments? They say it isn't fair. I think Jeff Cooper said it best. “The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair.”

Of course Glocks weren't around then, and Cooper is sneered at by many today. About the Glock specifically, he said "The continued sales triumph of Glock pistols demonstrates the virtues of skillful marketing. The Glock is okay. It is generally reliable, it is comparatively inexpensive, and it is available in respectable calibers. Above all, its aftermarket service is superior. The great part of its sales comes from police departments, where maintenance and quick service are of primary importance. It may not be the best choice for the expert pistolero, but such people are not in the majority." I tend to listen to what the old man said. He knew more about this stuff than me.

Lastly, any pistol that is touted by the manufacturer as being Perfection is bound to not reach that lofty goal. What is perfection for one person may not be for another. We all have different standards and needs. A Glock might be perfection for one man, a Hi Point for another, a 1911 for the next, and a Model 10 for his buddy. Claiming your pistol is "Perfection" or "No Compromises" or whatever is just marketing. The thing is a plastic and metal handgun that shoots fairly accurately, and has a decent reliability record. The manufacturer placed it in the hands of many police officers with trade-in programs, and the general public followed suit, thinking if cops carry it, it must be good. The Glock hype and the refusal to address the rail failures that were occuring a few years back were what finally did it for me.

Of course, others are free to hold a different opinion.
 
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The best pistol is the one with which you can best hit a target. Hits couint, opinions don't. Mine, yours, or Joe Poop the ragman.

I own or have owned a fair number of semi-auto pistols. Luger, P-38, Beretta 92, Glock 45ACP, 1911s and 1911A1s, Browning HiPower, and some sort of S&W from around 35 yeears ago. (.380s, .32s, .25s and .22s don't count.)

I could hit with any of them. I was better with the 1911 because it fits my hand better than the others. I found that the Glock worked just fine, but I was no better at hits with it than with the 1911. Big deal, Lucille. I don't like black plastic ugly, so making a dab of profit was real easy.

For folks who like the Glock, I really believe that's what they oughta buy. For folks who don't, keeping your billfold in your pocket takes very little in the way of smarts.

Perfection? Hey, fifty years ago I just looked in a mirror. Now? I'm better off shaving by feel. :D:D:D
 
Good post, some very valid points. I have a hard time blaming the weapon for a neglegent discharge when a foreign object enters the trigger area and actuates the trigger. It seems to me a revolver may have the same result in a similar situation. I do admit there is a very strong argument with regards to pull weight and travel distance. It may also be argued that some of the instances of ND could be attributed to the sheer numbers of Glocks in the hands of lesser, or flat out unskilled, users as the gun has such popularity on the streets.
Absolutly agreed in regards to plastic parts, other than the polymer frame.
I see a good number of Glocks in competition, especially the 34 in PPC service matches and plenty of local "action pistol" leagues. Are the pro's using them, nope. But I think that the guns they do use are as much "stock" as a NASCAR is a Chevy (stock classes aside).
I think Glocks have their place, and I havn't seen many argue their reliability, which I feel is possibly the most important thing when you are 10 feet or closer and in distress.
I certainly agree that they are far from perfect.
 
Art,

A voice of reason amidst the insanity.

My S&W Model 66 Combat Magnum has a different grip angle than my Colt 1911 A1, but I'm a really smart monkey and can shoot both extremely well. My Glock has a different grip angle too. Fortunately I am smart enough to adjust to it as well.

If they are so poor a marksman that they can't make that kind of adjustment, they need to get a sharp stick and put down the firearms. Any experienced pistol shooter can shoot any quality firearm reasonably well.

We may not love every one (I hate the S&W semi-auto trigger :rolleyes: ) but I can still "keep it in the black".
 
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