It absolutely amazes me that even after all the times this has been done we can still come up with 5 pages of pro/anti Glock propaganda. But what amazes me even more is how much of it is absolute crap, especially some of the stuff from the anti side. Where do y'all find these "facts"? Some of them are mind bogglingly stupid and inaccurate. Truly amazing.
Glock Imperfection
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Duke of Doubt
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Oh, come on; the Glock-armed "Fiji Tactical Response Unit" was a gem, and the fact that they were disbanded for being a bunch of mall drama queens made it even better.
JohnBT
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"It absolutely amazes me"
Amazement is good. Glad we could help.
The goal is to remain childlike, without remaining childish.
Or something like that.
John
Amazement is good. Glad we could help.
The goal is to remain childlike, without remaining childish.
Or something like that.
John
Duke of Doubt, that 'thing' in the photo of the Glock 17 is a FAB Defense rail attachment. It takes the place of the magazine's factory baseplate so it'll attach to accessory rail of gun and make like a foregrip, super fast magazine changes too.
Don't think they're ATF approved for your country though because it'd turn the Glock into a short-stocked rifle or something along those lines.
Don't think they're ATF approved for your country though because it'd turn the Glock into a short-stocked rifle or something along those lines.
GTSteve03
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I believe the correct terminology is actually a lightweight, concealable, high capacity, magazine fed, auto loading killing machine, at least to the BATF.
Dan Crocker
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GTSteve03, it only meets that definition when it has "A mega-capacity clip loaded with heat-seeking cop-killer ammo that are made to target puppies and orphans."
Guillermo
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Dan...you should write ads. You got me wanting one of those babies!
With props like that it is no wonder they are the most popular Law Enforcement Sidearm in the country.
JohnBT
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Most popular or most prevalent? Popular implies that the officers like the guns they are mandated to carry. Prevalent implies that a bunch of guns were issued, but not necessarily liked.
Have you seen the deals that Glock has given to police agencies to get their guns on the street? Smokin' package deals with super low prices and outrageous trade-ins.
John
Have you seen the deals that Glock has given to police agencies to get their guns on the street? Smokin' package deals with super low prices and outrageous trade-ins.
John
KBintheSLC
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Geeze Javier... you are an administrator here... throwing out biased, baseless garbage like that?
Impressive!
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verdun59
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O.K. you all have convinced me - they are imperfect.
jad0110
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Old? They've only been around for what, 25 years? That's pretty young in my book.
My S&Ws revolvers all trace their lineage directly back to the 1899 hand ejector
.Heck, my favorite carry gun is a 2" S&W Model 15-2 dating to 1965. Not to get too off topic, but I recall with a smile the gent who posted on THR a few years ago that was worried that his ?Sig? was getting too old ... at the age of 7 years
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That sums it up nicely. I respect Glocks, among others, as being fine firearms for those who like 'em. But it does get old when it is implied (or sometimes bluntly stated) that if you don't worship at the Glock, or <insert brand> alter that you must be uncooth, stupid, out of touch, or all of the above.
Again, Glocks are great guns, but I can't hit crap with them. When I'm shooting a Glock, you are relatively safe as long as you are standing in front of the muzzle
.I've said it many times on THR, but I can outshoot a Glock 22 with my S&W 642, 1 7/8" barrel and all. And I do better still with my aforementioned Model 15. Yes, that is unusual, but it is still true for me.
XavierBreath
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Are you saying administrators can't participate in a thread and state their opinion?
Impressive!
JohnBT
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How do you field strip a Glock?
Don't you remove the magazine, pull the trigger and then take the slide off?
Oops, forgot to clear the chamber.
Dang it, I hate it when that happens.
John
P.S. - Have you noticed the folks who don't get teased are the ones who say, "I have a Glock and I really like it" and let it go at that.
Don't you remove the magazine, pull the trigger and then take the slide off?
Oops, forgot to clear the chamber.
Dang it, I hate it when that happens.
John
P.S. - Have you noticed the folks who don't get teased are the ones who say, "I have a Glock and I really like it" and let it go at that.
KBintheSLC
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Not really... just saying that you guys are always shutting people down for not taking "The High Road", and I was hoping you might actually use that road yourself.
Ya know... leading by example.
Stating that Glock owners are "less skilled" or "less safety conscious" due to their choice of firearm is laughable at best. Do you have any reputable sources to back that accusation up?
If you are merely trying to offend your patrons, you are doing a great job. Certainly walking "The High Road" y'all so eloquently preach.
Again... impressive.
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XavierBreath
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You claim I said:
I said:
There is a difference my friend. The Glock doesn't make a person less skilled. A person is not less skilled because they carry a Glock.
New gun owners are less skilled because they are new to gun handling. Because of Glock's aggressive marketing, many new gun owners, with no training beyond what they saw in the movies and were told by the guy behind the gun counter chose a Glock as a first pistol.
Police officers who are more interested in investigative techniques than gun handling are less skilled because they train once a year to requalify with the sidearm they are forced to carry. Because of Glock's inroads into the police market, many of them have a Glock in their holster.
What I said is there is a higher perponderance of less skilled shooters who own Glocks. That is not the same as saying "Glock owners are 'less skilled' or 'less safety conscious' due to their choice of firearm."
Because of this, when there is an unintended discharge, many people today wonder if the pistol involved was a Glock, including Glock owners. Before the Glock was on the market, many wondered if the pistol involved was a GI issue M1911A1.
Now whether these two pistols require more competent gun handling skills to prevent unintentional discharges is something for everyone to decide for themselves. The difference is that 1911s are generally not aggressively marketed to new gun owners and police officers. Glocks are.
Now:
I said:
There is a difference my friend. The Glock doesn't make a person less skilled. A person is not less skilled because they carry a Glock.
New gun owners are less skilled because they are new to gun handling. Because of Glock's aggressive marketing, many new gun owners, with no training beyond what they saw in the movies and were told by the guy behind the gun counter chose a Glock as a first pistol.
Police officers who are more interested in investigative techniques than gun handling are less skilled because they train once a year to requalify with the sidearm they are forced to carry. Because of Glock's inroads into the police market, many of them have a Glock in their holster.
What I said is there is a higher perponderance of less skilled shooters who own Glocks. That is not the same as saying "Glock owners are 'less skilled' or 'less safety conscious' due to their choice of firearm."
Because of this, when there is an unintended discharge, many people today wonder if the pistol involved was a Glock, including Glock owners. Before the Glock was on the market, many wondered if the pistol involved was a GI issue M1911A1.
Now whether these two pistols require more competent gun handling skills to prevent unintentional discharges is something for everyone to decide for themselves. The difference is that 1911s are generally not aggressively marketed to new gun owners and police officers. Glocks are.
Now:
I was inclined to shut down this thread, but it's been a while since these issues were discussed reasonably on this forum. I was hoping it could be done again. We can start by reading what people write and responding to that rather than what we thought they wrote and attacking them.
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I know that Glocks are overwhelmingly chosen for LE but why do some departments and parts of the government favor different companies? Think they know something that the Glock user's don't?
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ScareyH22A: "I know that Glocks are overwhelmingly chosen for LE but why do some departments and parts of the government favor different companies? Think they know something that the Glock user's don't?"
The position of Maine and of its political subdivisions is that Glocks are inferior and unsafe. That's why not a single cop in Maine carries one.
The position of Maine and of its political subdivisions is that Glocks are inferior and unsafe. That's why not a single cop in Maine carries one.
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Air,Land&Sea: "Now everyone's gonna know I'm a mall-ninja."
Or a former member of the Fiji Tactical Response Unit.
Or a former member of the Fiji Tactical Response Unit.
Guillermo
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Xavier is one of, if not, the best administrator on this board. He has a sense of humor and will allow goofiness, like this thread has become, to continue. Most would have shut it down LONG before now.
If he wants to play it is fine with me.
BTW, I am not a "fanboy". I own one Glock and like it fine. But I have no plans on buying another. If I want another plastic pistol I will get an XD.
If he wants to play it is fine with me.
BTW, I am not a "fanboy". I own one Glock and like it fine. But I have no plans on buying another. If I want another plastic pistol I will get an XD.
Not a single cop? Impressive. Well they at least write poems about them...figures.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28948642/
Everytime you type something it is more foolish than before. Maine should not be the standard anything is measured with.
Most young people moving out and only Massachusetts folk moving in. Good luck to that.
http://maineproductliabilitylaw.blogspot.com/2009/03/plaxico-burress-has-glock-leg.html
jad0110
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A good explanation of your position, and one that I happen to agree with from my own observations locally. Many of the newbies coming into the gunshops are directed towards the Glock section, or almost as frequently towards the XDs. Later, I sometimes see the same newbies at the range being stupid. Just look at THR. A soon-to-be first time gunowner introduces him or herself, looking for their first firearm (could be a shotgun, it doesn't matter) and within the first 4 posts someone will say "Get a Glock."
As you said, it's not the gun, it's just the sheer number of people buying them, particularly first time gunowners.
This is the same reason why, per capita, you see more Ford Mustangs and Chevy Camaros wrapped around telephone polls than Corvettes or 911s. Usually, it is a younger, less experienced crowd with the Mustangs or Camaros, so it stands to reason that they would be involved in a higher percentage of crashes than other high performance cars that a purchased by older, more experienced drivers. It's really not the car, just the clientell who buys them.
Perhaps not the best analogy, but it kinda works IMO.
And before I get flamed, I quote XavierBreath's post above:
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XD is the same way, and it was something that ALWAYS made me nervous. I would check the chamber many times before proceeding with the field stripping. Often, I'd ask someone sitting nearby to double check along with me. Paranoid? Maybe, but I have yet to have an ND (knock on wood).
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