Glock Imperfection

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Xavier is Dave Sevigny not a big name?
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Biggern' me.

Still, he's a member of Team Glock, right? I reckon he could probably shoot for any corporate sponsor he wanted to. Here are the results of the match you cited.

Team S&W garnered three division wins. David Olhasso won the Custom Defensive Pistol division with a pretty much stock S&W M&P, not a hot rod 1911.

Team Glock got a Stock Service Pistol Win and the High Lady win.

Custom Defensive Pistol Division Champion: David Olhasso - 179.88 (57)
Enhanced Service Pistol Division Champion: Bob Vogel - 150.72 (32)
Stock Service Pistol Division Champion: Dave Sevigny - 151.86 (36)
Enhanced Service Revolver Division Champion: Jerry Miculek - 214.35 (47)
Stock Service Revolver Division Champion: Craig Buckland - 236.60 (39)

Special Division/Category Winners:

High Senior: Scott Warren ESP - Master 175.58 (57)
High Lady: Randi Rogers SSP - Master 253.74 (85)
High Law Enforcement: Robert Vogel ESP - Master 150.72 (32)
High Industry: Robert Vogel ESP - Master 150.72 (32)
High International: Hans Silbitzer SSP - Master 274.20(140)
High Junior: James McGinty ESP - Master 188.33 (47)
High Military: Stephen Cheng ESP - Expert 248.43(121)
Most Accurate: James Meyers SSP - Master 196.98 (28)
 
Among tens of thousands of potential customers, precisely thirty four police agencies around the world will admit to carrying Glocks:

http://www.glockfaq.com/markings.htm

As noted in this Wiki article, unlike, say, S&W, Colt or Beretta, Glock is a small, privately-held company and refuses to release its limited production figures:

http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Glock

Nevertheless, some have extrapolated production figures based on serial numbering and factory tips. According thereto, it's basically a small Austrian plastic gun company with a small production volume, selling mostly to kids and to bangers plus, until 2007, the Fiji Tactical Response Unit:

http://www.rnzi.com/pages/news.php?op=read&id=29931
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I'm definitely not a glock fanboy. I don't own a glock and I doubt I ever will. I just don't like the feel of the grip and trigger.

but to argue that they aren't popular is ridiculous. Your own link cites 2.5 million sales.
 
Art Eatman: "I could hit with any of them. I was better with the 1911 because it fits my hand better than the others. I found that the Glock worked just fine, but I was no better at hits with it than with the 1911. Big deal, Lucille. I don't like black plastic ugly, so making a dab of profit was real easy."

Yeah.

"For folks who like the Glock, I really believe that's what they oughta buy. For folks who don't, keeping your billfold in your pocket takes very little in the way of smarts."

Yeah.

"Perfection? Hey, fifty years ago I just looked in a mirror. Now? I'm better off shaving by feel."

Sometimes I get all worked up, and when I relax, some guy who is a little bit wiser makes me remember a few things. Thanks, Art. Yeah, I don't care for Glocks, but they really aren't the worst guns in the world by a long shot.
 
Among all the gum-flapping, there are a few pearls of wisdom here. It just takes a little effort to get to them, because there's a fair amount of goofy partisanship that always seems to make its way into these threads. Having been a member of forums devoted to cars and motorcycles, I guess it shouldn't surprise me, but it always does.

So, let me proclaim The Final Truth About Glocks:

-The Glock Perfection thing is a good piece of marketing, but it also pisses off those who are not devotees . . . it seems to be one of those things that causes otherwise rational men to get all purple-faced, especially if they like HKs, Sigs, or whatever. Let's take it for what it is . . . a commercial slogan and not the Holy Gospel.

-Despite some speculation to the contrary, Glocks are enormously popular, both in the private sector and in law enforcement. Part of that may be the afterglow of being the most innovative handgun design of the latter half of the 20th century. I don't know if the claim of 60-65% penetration in law enforcement agencies is correct, but, having spent over 30 years in law enforcement and knowing a lot of LEOs, it strikes me as about right. However, sheer numbers do not, in themselves, equate to virtue. Marketing, perceived quality, and cost all play substantial roles.

-Nonetheless, consumers' behavior over the long run is generally based on rational criteria. Glock seems to have delivered a lot of quality at a very competitive price. Yes, you can always find reports of problems. Especially on the Internet. But that is true of any brand of any product.

-None of us should really get all purple-faced and tachycardic over someone else's love of another brand, whether it's BMW cars, Harley-Davidson motorcycles, Apple computers, or Glock pistols. It would be a terribly drab world if we didn't have a choice of products that allowed each of us to choose exactly what we want, based on our tastes, perceptions, and budgets. That would, I guess, be more like the U.S.S.R. than the good ol' U.S. of A.

-In summary, maybe our energies would be better spent trying to objectively discuss these things. Reveling in our common interests, rather than trying to divide ourselves. Accepting that in God's Creation, all pistols are loved, whether they are plastic or metal, foreign or American, black or silver.
 
legion3 said:
THR is the #1 hangout for the anti-Glock crowd. But even here they are not completely safe but it is their best haven.
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:D :D
You know what's funny? I've found that the #1 hangout of the PRO-Glock community is SigForum! No Joke! GlockTalk doesn't count... :evil:
 
Xavier I was just pointing out that they have done better than a bronze at the special olympics much to the disbelief of DoD
 
Duke of Doubt said it. It is now removed. It was right after your first contribution to this thread. It was post 97
 
I think what MisterMike is saying is that Glock supporters are more inclined to be Democrats. Nice voting last November.
 
Another Glock love hate thread, we need to compleate the series with:

1) .40 Glock KB thread
2) 92FS slide crack thread
3) Rust on SIG thread
4) 9mm vs .40 S&W thread
and finally the P3AT vs LCP to close it all out...........
 
XavierBreath: "They don't allow guns in the Special Olympics."

There may repose a profound joke in there somewhere, but I'm too busy giggling to find it. Not, unlike the Obamination, to crack wise at the expense of the Special Olympics; one of the better local tournament pool players and a personal acquaintance is intellectually challenged.
 
Hey Duke...

You are in Maine? No wonder your views are skewed. Maine the way life should be but isn't. I was a Federal LEO stationed in Maine :barf: for a while, I certainly would not use their police forces as a model to emmulate.

On the other hand
Maine has one or two things going for it...mostly in the Summer months.


Are you in Boston North? Ie. Portland or are you in a real city like Bangor? Oh well let us know when you begin passing Massachusetts type laws ;)
 
legion3: "Hey Duke... You are in Maine? No wonder your views are skewed."

Ayuh.

"Maine the way life should be but isn't. I was a Federal LEO stationed in Maine for a while, I certainly would not use their police forces as a model to emmulate."

"Salutary neglect", thy name be the law in Maine.

"On the other hand Maine has one or two things going for it...mostly in the Summer months."

What, you got a problem with ice storms?

"Are you in Boston North? Ie. Portland or are you in a real city like Bangor? Oh well let us know when you begin passing Massachusetts type laws"

Sure, an' we love the Dropkicks, but I am in a real City. But we don't pass Massachusetts type laws; that's one reason we fought for our independence in 1820 after Massachusetts hung us out to dry in 1812-15, and not for the first time. The real reason Maine is a wilderness goes all the way back to the English Civil War, and later Prince David's War and King Phillip's War. "Pejepscot Proprietors", my aching eye (a little Maine title examiner joke in there, and if you're into that, hah).
 
About Glocks blowing up more than any other pistol; an aftermarket barrel like this here's with a fully supported chamber and land and groove rifling would iron out any doubt.
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Aftermarket?

Why is the magazine upside down?

You've got a round exposed at the bottom, and a locking index hole exposed a quarter of the way up.

What IS that thing, and how did you manage to cram it into a Glockenspiel?
 
Is the Glock perfect for everyone? Nope

If I had to choose only one gun for the rest of my life? Glock or Ruger---everything else seems to come up lacking in one way or another.
 
If I had to choose only one gun ....

Wow.

All the choices.

My Beretta 92FS carry gun?

My Remington-Rand 1911A1 with Colt National Match barrel and high-aspect sights den gun?

My Smith & Wesson Model 29 primary home defense handgun?

My trusty, worn nightstand Model 10?

Probably one of those, but certainly not a Glockenspiel or Loogie.
 
Fanboys also make comments in the negative such as


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I still think Glocks feel like a brick with a trigger, but to each their own
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Nope, that was not a fanboy post I made about the brick. Fanboy posts have to be all-out in favor of a brand or style. Simply saying why you don't particularly like something and stating the reason isn't the stuff of fanboydom. IOW, saying I don't like Fords because the seats are uncomforable doesn't make me a Chevy or Toyota fanboy.

You must be new to the internet. ;)

To the mods: Hey, if we can't have fun with all of the Glock (Im)Perfection threads, well, what's the use of having a forum?

John
 
Glock

As most here know, I carry a Glock 23. I recently purchased (and later sold) a H&K .45 SOCOM (I think that's the model, it had the threaded barrel). I much preferred the Glock for my use. I've owned pretty much everything now, as I haunt gun shows and trade a lot. I still believe the Model 23 to be the best self defense & concealed carry pistol ever made. That being said, I seldom shoot it. I much prefer the 1911 platform and shoot those a lot at the range. However, I sincerely do believe that in every measurable catagory, Glock is the best pistol ever made. Inexpensive as dirt, absolutely reliable, very accurate, light, high capacity ie 16 rounds (I carry the full size .40 magazines with a plastic "collar" to fill the gap), wears better than anything I've seen, needs no work to excel at anything. At this point the Glock's are a very old design. They are still the best available, or at least the best I've used. I don't like them, but I do carry them.
 
mes228: "I much prefer the 1911 platform and shoot those a lot at the range. However, I sincerely do believe that in every measurable catagory, Glock is the best pistol ever made. Inexpensive as dirt, absolutely reliable, very accurate, light, high capacity ie 16 rounds (I carry the full size .40 magazines with a plastic "collar" to fill the gap), wears better than anything I've seen, needs no work to excel at anything. At this point the Glock's are a very old design. They are still the best available, or at least the best I've used. I don't like them, but I do carry them."

That's odd. I love my Beretta 92FS. I take it everywhere. If it were possible, I'd have sexual relations with it. It's not an exclusive thing; I regularly shoot my other guns, but I like my Italian dates and look forward to them.

You don't like your Glock and you prefer to shoot your other guns, yet you swear by it and think it's the best? Big D on the horizon.
 
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