Glock Imperfection

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legion3: "Maine should not be the standard anything is measured with."

And I'm guessing this sort of thing (taken from the article you link to) is why Maine cops now generally refuse to carry Glocks:

"But the attitude changed last spring after a respected sergeant, Rob Johnsey, was killed when his service weapon accidentally discharged while he was cleaning it. At his funeral, mourners learned that Johnsey wrote poetry."

"Most young people moving out and only Massachusetts folk moving in. Good luck to that."

Well, someone's gotta clean the toilets and change our diapers.
 
Oh, come on, Dan. Before this thread I had never heard of the Fiji Tactical Response Unit. I'll never forget it, now. Nor will my readers.
 
I am curious what Glock did to so turn you against them duke. For those keeping score 16% of what is posted on this thread is your negative campaigning. Guillermo and legion follow combining for 15%. For all the time wasted on "Glock" discussion nothing factual or relevant was contributed by any of you 3. Am I wrong here? I thought this was a forum for gun owners to get information from other gun owners. I Like my Glock, but I also like my 1911 and my revolvers. I think if you guys want to argue over the merits of Glock products you should exchange #s and get together away from here. Use the forum for what it was designed and leave the bull @%$# at home.
 
sohcgt2: "I am curious what Glock did to so turn you against them duke. "

It ... is .. alive.

It's a striker-fired plastic dog-turd. Beyond that, it's fine. So is a Hi-Point.

Imagine if KFC sold sex. You'd see scores of late teenaged and early twenty-something guys staggering out of the Colonel's place, swearing by KFC and telling all within earshot what a great time they had, and threatening to rearrange the face of anyone who disagreed. That's pretty much how the rest of the world sees the Glock fanboys.
 
I've been keeping tabs on this topic since it was just a little one pager, inserting my two cents here and there; what I keep noticing is people jumping in with the “beating the dead horse” and “this is a pointless thread” comments. Given the title of the thread is it a somehow a surprise what individual posts say? If you don’t like this type of thread why do you read it? Maybe I’m out of line (and I apologize if I am) but it seems terribly rude to interject your dislike and disapproval in regards to this thread or those like it. Has this same discussion/ argument likely been brought up several times before? Absolutely! But I doubt if those people who are currently participating in it are the same one’s who discussed it before. When you go to work on Monday morning and talk with a few friends about the football game on Sunday, do you scold your coworkers at lunch because they’re talking about the same thing you talk about earlier? I hope not. I’m sure we have all started threads that others thought were “stupid” or resurrections of well covered topics, but I also think that the majority of our fellow enthusiasts have the good form not to criticize our discussions. They move on to something else that interests them, there isn’t any shortage of threads or opinions here.
 
Guillermo and legion follow combining for 15%. For all the time wasted on "Glock" discussion nothing factual or relevant was contributed by any of you 3. Am I wrong here? I thought this was a forum for gun owners to get information from other gun owners. I Like my Glock, but I also like my 1911 and my revolvers. I think if you guys want to argue over the merits of Glock products you should exchange #s and get together away from here. Use the forum for what it was designed and leave the bull @%$# at home.

Hogwash!

I posted some cool pics of Swedish Chicks (um Soldiers) with Glocks.

Nothing factual or relevent??? I guess your post fits right in.

No arguing on a gun forum :uhoh: That thinking is good old fashioned communism. ;)
 
Finally!

Duke of Doubt, you are truly THE MAN.

Imagine if KFC sold sex. You'd see scores of late teenaged and early twenty-something guys staggering out of the Colonel's place, swearing by KFC and telling all within earshot what a great time they had, and threatening to rearrange the face of anyone who disagreed. That's pretty much how the rest of the world sees the Glock fanboys.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Of course, now they want to rearrange your face.... :what:


Thank you Duke, I have not laughed this hard in many years. :D
 
Duke of Doubt said:
It's a striker-fired plastic dog-turd.
...in the wrong hands. In the right hands it’s a lightweight, reliable, effective, precision instrument and a marvel of engineering.
A stainless steel 1911 in the wrong hands is single-action metal paper-weight. In the right hands it’s much the same as a Glock: an effective tool to get the job done.

There are 12 Handgun Combat Masters that have graduated from Front Sight. 7 of them shoot Glocks, 4 shoot 1911s, and 1 shoots a Springfield XD. Obviously those seven guys know how to effectively employ a plastic dog-turd to a level most of us, including you, could only dream about.

Just because it doesn’t work for you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t work...

Man, can’t we all just get along? The only thing worse then a Glock fanboy is an Anti-Glock fanboy.
 
Duke of Doubt, you are truly THE MAN.


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Imagine if KFC sold sex. You'd see scores of late teenaged and early twenty-something guys staggering out of the Colonel's place, swearing by KFC and telling all within earshot what a great time they had, and threatening to rearrange the face of anyone who disagreed. That's pretty much how the rest of the world sees the Glock fanboys.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Of course, now they want to rearrange your face....

:scrutiny: Maybe you two should get a room
 
one thing that has not been mentioned yet...

to take apart the gun, you must pull the trigger...

Rather your a glock fan boy or the bigest hater, you have to admit, that is a bad design feature.


I know, every one here always clears thier gun before taking it apart... :roll:
 
I know, every one here always clears thier gun before taking it apart...

The policeman in Maine didn't. May he rest in peace.

But it is not a design flaw it is simply the design. It works as its supposed to.

It is the gun owners who are flawed and don't do what they are supposed to.

All guns should be checked before dissasembly and I can't remember the last time a gun manual did not say so.
 
most people never read a manual...

Its a very bad design. Forget the cleaning aspect... Heaven forbid you have a failure that you have to remove the slide to get a live round out of the chamber.
 
I have seen other guns...one's you don't have to pull the trigger to disassemble that have had failures that so jamed the slide that the takedown wouldn't work because it wasn't aligned.

A Walther P88 once had to have the slide hammered back into battery to get the slide to where it could be removed to even get the live round out.

Such incidents are not common in Glocks or others. Heaven forbid you ever have a failure as you describe.

Again I would disagree that it is a bad design. The Glock would not be where it is today if it was so inheriently poorly designed.

The Duck of Doubt's ramblings not withstanding.
 
Glock didn't get to where they are now do to thier "profection" They got there by:

being the only game in town for years.

marketlng.

Price.

Something else to think about. SF just put out a XD where you do not have to pull the trigger to take it apart... now if the design is not bad, why would a company spend big bucks redesigning the gun?
 
"Use the forum for what it was designed and leave the bull @%$# at home."

Dang, I never knew. And you just joined in January.

"There are 12 Handgun Combat Masters that have graduated from Front Sight. 7 of them shoot Glocks, 4 shoot 1911s, and 1 shoots a Springfield XD. Obviously those seven guys know how to effectively employ a plastic dog-turd to a level most of us, including you, could only dream about."

No doubt they'd be Handgun Combat Masters shooting top-break Iver Johnsons or anything you gave them. Dedication, practice and talent. Obviously many people like Glocks, but it does not logically follow that they are therefore perfect or perfect for everyone.

We're just having a little fun teasing and jousting with the fanboys who don't see that.

Go over to one of the Obama forums and replace Obama with Glock everytime you see somebody say Lord Obama. It comes off the same way after a time.

John
 
Glock didn't get to where they are now do to thier "profection" They got there by:

being the only game in town for years.

marketlng.

Price.

Something else to think about. SF just put out a XD where you do not have to pull the trigger to take it apart... now if the design is not bad, why would a company spend big bucks redesigning the gun?

I assume you mean it was the only polymer game in town.
The rest is just more anti-Glock arguments spewed for years by the anti Glock fanboys. Maybe you and the Duck of Death should get a room ;)
 
Go over to one of the Obama forums and replace Obama with Glock everytime you see somebody say Lord Obama. It comes off the same way after a time.


:eek: How can you compare a great man like Glock with Obama??? Please don't do that again.

Don't you know its the anti-Glock fanboys who are responsible for all the ill's of society. Good heavens without them Obama wouldn't have been elected ;)
 
to take apart the gun, you must pull the trigger...

Rather your a glock fan boy or the bigest hater, you have to admit, that is a bad design feature.

I agree about that being a bad design feature. There are too many good guns where you don't have to do this, makes me wonder why Glock hasn't changed it, I guess because sales are brisk enough to not warrant large scale design changes.
 
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agree about that being a bad design feature. There are too many good guns where you don't have to do this, makes me wonder why Glock hasn't changed it, I guess because sales are brisk enough to not warrant large scale design changes.


Oh dear, oh dear.

Well except for the sales being brisk.
 
Guillermo and legion follow combining for 15%

most of my posts have been to trying to counter the lies and stupidity. If anyone cares, I am not a glock guy. I own one and like it fine but have no desire to own another. If I am going to get another polymer pistol it w be an XD.

Having said that, idiotic statements about how law enforcement doesn't use them and that they are garbage should not go unchallenged.
 
I for one hope the thread stays open for a time. Once an internet thread goes to 7 pages conventional wisdom holds that only the hardcore are hanging in so it should be a minimal disturbance to the non-participants.

It's extremely unlikely anything new will be learned of Glock or any of its competitors but I'm fascinated by the way some folks can take the matter personally. I find comparisons to non-firearms poo-flinging threads unsatisfying. Whether it's AMD vs. Intel, the old HD vs. Blu-Ray or a classic Mustang vs. Firebird, handgun proponents seem to be far more emotionally invested in defending their positions.

I found what I believed to be very plausible speculation on the cause on a sister forum:
… I agree that people get overly wrapped up in what weapons they own. I think that people tend to mix their identities & their weapons choices. i.e. People tend to take any negative comments about one of their weapons as a personal attack. I believe that the largest part of this blurring of identity with weapons choices is the desire to rely on a weapon for safety instead of acknowledging that the weapon is merely a tool and that safety is dependent far more on the person than on the tool. The result is that anything that negatively impacts the owner's view of his weapon therefore also negatively impacts on his feeling of security and on his ability to provide his own security.

Should this prove to be the case one would expect that, should a participant come to the conclusion that the correct priority is mindset followed by skillset followed by toolset, he will gradually come to not care what anybody thinks of his choice in tools. He'll be incapable of taking it any more seriously than a Snap-On vs. Craftsman skirmish.

Warning: Pop-Psy speculation off the port bow.
When folks get all wrapped up in their beliefs, it seems something called hostile media perception bias can rear its head. This, I believe, leads to people challenging assertions that were never made. No offense meant to the poster involved but the response to XB's post is a near clinical definition of reading stuff that simply wasn't there and replying to it. XB's postings probably don't constitute "media" in a strict sense but I believe the same perception bias is at work in interpreting the posting.
http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~jpiliavi/965/hwang.pdf
Wiki condensed version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect

An obsessive need to justify one's choice in firearms, whether by ascribing strained advantages to the chosen product or denigrating the alternatives is endlessly fascinating to me.

Regrettably, we all too often take such discussions personally. The irony is, of course, that the larger question is why we take such things personally in the first place.
 
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