Illegal Asian immigrants caught in Goliad County

[El Tejon]

Skunkysan, yeah, Cantonese CDs. How else to study? Is it true that there are 20 ways to say "Go [do something to yourself that Art's grandmother would not approve of] yourself!" in Gwangdongwah?

My mother was born in Plainfield, my father in Bloomington--I was lucky to master English. I just need to find a long-haired dictionary.

After writing a big fat check Friday for my quarteriles coming up, I think I should decide who's being productive and who's being a leech.

 

[BryanP]

people driving Lexuses (Lexii?) paying for food with welfare checks.

Horrible. I've never seen any white folk like that around here.

Really.

Okay, maybe one or two.

 

[RKCheung]

Self-edit for sarcastic, emotional comment.

:banghead:

 

[BamBam-31]

Gunsnrovers,

Your post (and Skunk's) made so much sense, it had to be repeated. I was being sarcastic when I put in writing what some of the other posters were thinking but were too afraid to write. Hopefully, by actually seeing it in writing, they'll realize just how ignorant those beliefs are. Hopefully....

 

[Art Eatman]

Well, I'll just gripe at some of the styles of posters in threads like this:

Somebody brings up some anecdotal example of a Bad Thing on the part of one or some of any ethnic group. Somebody else takes it as meaning "all" of a group, whether or not that was intended--so here comes a thread veer away from the basic topic.

Alternatively, somebody will fairly obviously imply "all". That ain't righteous, either. Folks oughta know better.

"Think twice, post once" is a heckuva lot better than "Post quick, don't think."

About legal immigration with the idea of citizenship as a goal: It once was that a certain fluency in english was required before one could become a US citizen. I forget the full title, but a fun read involves the trials and tribulations of one H*Y*M*A*N K*A*P*L*A*N if you don't mind doing some Googling. (I don't remember the full title of this 1940s/50s book.) For reasons known only to Hyman, he always printed his name in capitals with the asterisks between the letters.)

Art

 

[Gunsnrovers]

Thanks. I was wracking my brain reading and rereading my post trying to find the typo that got it misunderstood.

I'm staunchly pro "keep the borders open for legal immigration" and wanted to be clear. My family has been here under 100 years and none of my relatives ever considered themselves anything other then American after stepping through into New York. I just wish they had come across with more so that we had more history of their lives in Europe.

PS - Art, I have some neat little handbooks from the 20's and 30's that were given out to help immigrants pass citizenship tests.

 

[Art Eatman]

Gunsnrovers, I've never seen it as important that all branches of my family have been in the US for a long time. What's important to me is what they did with their lives after they got here.

(I grant that there are times when I enjoy it when some old Boar Dinosaur of a rancher rears back and allows, "Why, my grand-daddy came out to Texas and started ranching in 1890!" and I comment, "Oh, a newcomer..." It's an attitude thing.)

IOW, I think it's sorta neat when a Vietnamese (e.g.) kid is valedictorian of his high school, coming here with little or no background in English. The importance is in what he did with his life, not how long he was here.

I'll sit and drink a beer with anybody from anywhere, so long as they're legal and self-supporting.

, Art

 

[DRZinn]

It's our welfare system. Who can resist a freebie? If we keep giving stuff away, people will come.

Laaadeees and Gennulmen! We haaave a weeenah!

I was being sarcastic when I put in writing what some of the other posters were thinking but were too afraid to write.

No, you put in writing what you think the other posters have in mind, since it's the only possible reason for us to criticize someone of another ethnic group, right? It must be racism. So you set yourself up as a straw man of the anti-illegal argument, and your buddies jump all over it. Pretty slick, but it STILL doesn't make me a racist. When will you realize that there are legitimate non-racial reasons for being anti-illegal immigration?

 

[Art Eatman]

Well, Doc, it's an ancient saying: "If you want more of something, subsidize it."

Subsidize, in the sense of government benefits paid from the taxes of the productive. I note that Tallahassee, Florida, put public monies into shelters for the homeless. The local population of homeless people increased. I won't do more than just mention in passing, "welfare".

For all practical purposes, there are no penalties for illegal entry into the US for a large majority of those who try. There are many benefits, including US Government programs that apply to all who are somewhere near upright, breathing and poor. Subsidies.

Whether citizen or non-citizen, all ethnic groups have problem-people. Aryan Nation, KKK, Chinese tongs, Salvadoran MS 13, Crips and Bloods, Christian Identity--and on down to "just plain sorry".

From the standpoint of numbers and taxpayer-dollar costs, the largest problem-people at the moment are the illegals. You don't have to be anywhere near "racist" to hold that view.

Art

 

[wingman]

When will you realize that there are legitimate non-racial reasons for being anti-illegal immigration?

Some seem to take a long time, I traveled in various parts of the world and
I have seen more racism in other cultures then in America, doesnt make it
right anywhere but it exist. Our Public schools for the most part has taught
the only person who can be racist is a white person. This is one reason most
politicians won't touch the illegal issue because they run scared and of course
this is what the far left wants.

The idea of assimilation has changed somewhat simply because of large numbers coming in, plus our society no long exerts any pressure on new
immigrants to do so because that would be considered wrong.

Some years back I lived in a small border town most immigrants coming in
wanted to learn english fast, now in that same town it is almost 100%
spanish speaking they are in fact intolerent of anyone speaking english
especially if that person is Mexican. Try going there and get a job if you
are white, racism, yes or no.

The idea of immigration is great if controlled in some manner however we no
longer live in the 1800's, accepting large numbers of folks with 8th grade
education or less has and will effect the quality of life of people now in this
country. I'm not sure any system can withstand the present numbers that
come across our borders.

 

[DRZinn]

I note that Tallahassee, Florida, put public monies into shelters for the homeless. The local population of homeless people increased.

Yeah, kinda funny how there aren't many homeless people in farm country...

 

[BerettaNut92]

El T.,

Skunkysan, yeah, Cantonese CDs. How else to study? Is it true that there are 20 ways to say "Go [do something to yourself that Art's grandmother would not approve of] yourself!" in Gwangdongwah?

Ohhhhhhh, THOSE Canto CDs...I thought you were listening to Canto pop music!! *whew*

As for the 20 ways, the Cantonese are verbally creative.

 

[BamBam-31]

Pretty slick, but it STILL doesn't make me a racist. When will you realize that there are legitimate non-racial reasons for being anti-illegal immigration?

Wasn't thinking of you in particular when I wrote that, DocZinn. And I'm not against people that are against illegal immigration, I'm just against the ignorance and racism that inevitably rears its ugly head whenever issues like these are discussed. Read between the lines in what posters have said in just this thread, and you'll see what I mean. I object to that, I object to the narrow-mindedness of it all, and I object to the blind eye that is invariably turned towards it because those beliefs are so commonplace they've become quasi-acceptable.

For the record, I believe there are a plethora of legitimate reasons to be against illegal immigration. I've got between four and six relatives (depending on pending marriages) that work in Homeland Security, plus I've owned residential rental properties in lower income Hispanic neighborhoods in Los Angeles for over two decades now, so I've got more than my fair share of first and secondhand experiences with illegal immigrants and their effects on our socioeconomic fabric. With all due respect to my relatives, we've been far too lax in enforcing existing immigration laws.

FWIW, Art Eatman's last two posts closely reflect my own beliefs with regards to race and immigration.

 

[Gunsnrovers]

I'll sit and drink a beer with anybody from anywhere, so long as they're legal and self-supporting.

That pretty much sums it up for me, but if I've had a head start, I am often not that picky.

 

[DRZinn]

Wasn't thinking of you in particular when I wrote that, DocZinn. And I'm not against people that are against illegal immigration, I'm just against the ignorance and racism that inevitably rears its ugly head whenever issues like these are discussed.

I'm just a little touchy on that, for two reasons:

1. There are still racists out there, and they tend to agree with me on this issue, which also lends support to:

2. Pro-illegal immigration advocates paint all anti-illegal immigration advocates (such as me) with the same racist brush, knowing damn well it's not true. But if they can make the observers think that racism is the only reason for wanting to stop illegal immigration, then they'll win some hearts and minds. Not suprisingly, due to the lack of critical thought in the average citizen today, it works quite often.

 

[BamBam-31]

There are still racists out there, and they tend to agree with me on this issue

Do a search on the gentleman that started this thread, read the threads he starts and/or posts in. Not surprisingly, the people of whom you speak flock to those same threads in alarming numbers. The man is on a crusade.

 

[Desertdog]

The man is on a crusade

Yes, I am on a crusade to help stop ILLEGALs from coming here.
I do WELCOME LEGAL immigrants regardless of race.

 

[BamBam-31]

How? By combing the interweb for stories you can post here to fan the flames of xenophobia? By posting paranoid drivel that's open to the misinterpretation Art's talking about, like:

It makes me wonder just how many Chinese of military age we have hiding in this country. The biggest question is; Are they just poor Chinese looking for a better living, or are they Chinese troops deployed to America.

Bravo. Seeing as how racism is an Achilles heel for the anti-illegal immigration movement, you do yourself no favors.

 

[Test1968]

The problem is they're illegal

When I was working for the city & county of SF it seemed like 90% of the workforce was illegal Chinese aliens,I think it is illegal to even ask CA State and city job applicants if they're here legally-I remember one State employee was deported to the Phillipines a year or so ago-worked for CA allmost 20yrs!


I can only assume this was quite some time ago, or is SF county in the habit of violating Federal law and the I-9 forms all new employees have to fill out?

I can't fathom how (or it seemed to me) that someone can state and believe that not wanting ILLEGAL immigration is racist.

I grew up in an area that had a LOT of immigrant families. Different cultures languages, and foods. The one unifying thread thru all of them was they wanted to be American. Some did have an English only rule at home, only broken for the relaitives who were visiting. Some spoke their native language in the home, but it had to be English outside.

I now live on the border, and a good bit of the population does not speak English. It makes it harder to communicate with them, and makes it harder for them to succeed in school and business, but the people that hate the illegals the most, are the ones who came here legally, and took the oath of citizenship. They are not racist. They simply want people coming here to obey our laws, as we are expected to obey theirs when we are in their country.