Keeping Cool

[P5 Guy]

Am I the only one that longs for the days when Gangsters wore pin-striped suits and fedoras?

 

[entropy]

Years ago, there used to be laws on the books about "indecent exposure".

They kept letting guys off for lack of evidence.

 

[scaatylobo]

There was another thread about not jumping into fights that aren't yours and this is along the same lines.

I was at a LGS today that I frequent that has signs all over the entrance about not wearing hoodies and having your pants around your waste so that you're not having to constantly pull them up. I dont think I need to expand on why any retail store might, and do have these signs.

While I'm at the gun counter browsing, in walks a young black fellow with his hoodie over his head and pants around his thighs. Right off the bat someone behind the counter tells him to remove the "hood" part of his hoodie. A couple minutes later another guy behind the counter ask's him to pull up his pants. At this point there are several patrons watching and this young man decides to throw a small fit talking about racism and how the store doesnt want any black people in there.

As much as it would've been nice to grab this kid and show him the signs at the front of the store, explain to him why they were there and how there were at least 2-3 other black folks in there shopping without issue, nobody did. Certainly not me or any of the other armed folks working the store.

The kid had his rant and left and some patrons and store folks had a chat after the fact.

Point is, putting yourself in a situation which could escalate and then trying to claim SD is a no go. Its worthwhile to be able to let things slide off your shoulder and discuss after the fact. That's not to say dont be aware of your surroundings but just dont take flapping lips to heart too much.

Your opinion, facts or the truth aren't always worth getting involved in a situation.

Funny but,my local DRUG STORE has the same sign on the front door.

And I take off my hat & sunglasses when I enter,and they ALL KNOW ME as a retired & armed LEO.

Rules of a premise are their rules,so "gun free zones" are not in my venue to shop or stop.

The rules of that premise are fully appreciated by me,and I would gladly do business with them.

p.s. as an after action incident = a year back I went to enter and the door was locked.
As I stood outside ,they came and unlocked the door ,telling me there was a armed robbery a half block away & the perp was still at large.
So they locked the doors and only opened them as they all knew that I was retired LEO ---- and armed.
Nice to be appreciated for that !

 

[entropy]

At what premise are you going on? The premise that that premises is happy that you doff your hat & sunglasses?

Just a bit of humor with an often misspelled word.

 

[herrwalther]

I find it strange that people are ok with the "your store, your rules" when it comes to sagging pants, and yet, when the sign says "no firearms", they're quick to point out that unless it violates state law they're going to disregard the sign.

Ironically, my local gun store says "No loaded firearms" but has another sign "Holstered firearms welcome." I asked the owner one time why the conflicting signs. CCW + loaded + holstered is okay. Loaded firearm to be sold, worked on etc is not okay. This is also the same store that has a 5 gallon bucket mostly full of everything taken from supposedly "unloaded" firearms.

 

[Craig_AR]

Our local bank branch down the street has a standard sign at the door, same on all branches, that announces video surveillance and says no guns, no sunglasses, no hats, and no hoodies. Because the sign is legally correct and enforceable with regard to guns, and so as not to jeopardize my CCL, I honor the no guns part. The sunglasses and hats restriction I generally ignore. (I have not worn my only hoodie in over two years.) Sadly, as I have an old white-haired, white-guy appearance, they would not challenge me on the glasses or hat, but I would not be surprised if they routinely challenge under 30 year old men of dark complexion for the same "offense."

Like it or not, the reality is that the no hoodies and no saggy pants signs come across to many people as at least racially insensitive and often as downright racist. My opinion is that such signs are not a good idea.

P.S. the no guns sign thing is very state-law dependent. Back in Virginia, such a sign only meant that the proprietor could ask you to leave if discovering you were armed, and should you refuse to leave, make a civil complaint on trespassing. Here in Arkansas, the same sign is legally enforceable under criminal statute. And then, of course, is the wonderful Texas 30.06 (and 30.07) signage law.

 

[Rick McC.]

How’s this for “racially insensitive?”

If you desire respect, don’t go out of your way to look like a moronic thug...

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Our local bank branch down the street has a standard sign at the door, same on all branches, that announces video surveillance and says no guns, no sunglasses, no hats, and no hoodies. Because the sign is legally correct and enforceable with regard to guns, and so as not to jeopardize my CCL, I honor the no guns part. The sunglasses and hats restriction I generally ignore. (I have not worn my only hoodie in over two years.) Sadly, as I have an old white-haired, white-guy appearance, they would not challenge me on the glasses or hat, but I would not be surprised if they routinely challenge under 30 year old men of dark complexion for the same "offense."

Like it or not, the reality is that the no hoodies and no saggy pants signs come across to many people as at least racially insensitive and often as downright racist. My opinion is that such signs are not a good idea.

P.S. the no guns sign thing is very state-law dependent. Back in Virginia, such a sign only meant that the proprietor could ask you to leave if discovering you were armed, and should you refuse to leave, make a civil complaint on trespassing. Here in Arkansas, the same sign is legally enforceable under criminal statute. And then, of course, is the wonderful Texas 30.06 (and 30.07) signage law.

When my older son was in his teens, some of his friends started wearing saggy pants.
When they came over I told them to pull their pants up or get the hell out of my house.
I also told them if they ever felt that I hurt their feelings there was a box of tissues by the TV that they could use to dry eyes.
Not liking saggy pants is no racist.

 

[MedWheeler]

Someone needs to pull up the pants on this thread.. Its underwear is showing.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Unless I see someone about to get hurt or killed, I keep to myself. Keeps my blood pressure down.

And the bottom line is if a law isn’t being broken, their house their rules. Not following store policy is grounds to be ejected.