M1911 vs Glock: The Gunshop Showdown

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Don't you bet on it. In fact the Glock line of .45 caliber pistols shoot better groups because they are not temperature sensitive like the 1911 is. NEXT!
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False. Now you are just making stuff up. The 1911 is not temperature sensitive. The Glock cannot be fitted to the clearances necessary to shoot accurately.
 
The Glock trigger can be tuned to be under 3 lbs and in fact is preferred by many .45 caliber competition shooters.
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It cannot be made into a crisp, breaking like a glass rod trigger. Guess what, a 1911 trigger is preferred by many 45 caliber shooters as well.
 
Also I really hate to be the bearer of such bad news but, the longest serving pistol used by our military is the S&W revolver. Over 100 years now and counting!
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How's that bad news?
 
Glock totally modernized the tilt barrel, lock breech system and did not use any of Browning's design flaws in the process. Not a single one of them!
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Glock did not modernize a thing. They copied Sig's linkless system. BTW, there is nothing flawed in Browning's design.
 
You still have yet to explain why the military junked the 1911 and you paid big bucks for military junk!
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The military junked the 1911 because the military is interested in high volume/low cost, while sophisticated consumers are interested in high quality.
 
Also I really hate to be the bearer of such bad news but, the longest serving pistol used by our military is the S&W revolver. Over 100 years now and counting!
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What branch uses a revolver?

If you look at the championship shooters with those highly customised race guns, they are all pretty much based off of the 1911, you never see a gun based on the Glock at that level. All guns have a limit of how accurate they can be, this is called mechanical accuracy. The 1911 can be fitted or even bought to be extremely accurate. Glocks? Well Glocks are Glocks, they're simple guns for the masses and accurate enough to be a service gun.
 
The FBI issues Glock model 22 and 23 pistols to all agents.
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Except their SWAT team which issues a 1911. Can you explain why the "elite" chooses junk?
 
Glocks = For the masses

1911 = For the professionals

And people wonder why I don't really like Glocks in the first place, their fanbase is a good portion of it.
 
I do it every single day for my Glock Compilation shooters and that glass breaking thing is just another internet myth.
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Have you heard of a concept known as an analogy? They teach it in high school.
 
Oh and I'm not bashing Glock. I carry a G27 nearly every day. And I have it's cousin the much liked G19 as well as a G30 that I'm stupidly accurate with.

The 1911 DW does see some carry time. About 10 or so other 1911s in multiple calibers are in the safe.

So can we all get along now?
 
I'm guessing someone lives in Smyrna, GA :D

Silly FBI Hostage Rescue Team. Foolish Marine Expeditionary Unit. They know not the fire with which they play. :rolleyes:

Junk I tell you! :p
 
I guess all of our Federal Law Enforcement Agencies are simple minded then. Gee thanks!
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Then what would you call FBI TRP to differ them from the regular officers?

Silly FBI Hostage Rescue Team. Foolish Marine Expeditionary Unit. They know not the fire with which they play.

Junk I tell you!
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LOL Thats a good one!
 
OK I do apologize for the fanboy troll reference. I believe your use of the term junk is misguided. There's a lot of military "junk" out there being swept up by collectors, including the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, many SIG pistols, Makarov PM, etc. Many of these are still being used by civilians for sport, home defense and just plain fun. Just because the US military has adopted a different firearm doesn't mean the old one is junk. The Beretta M9 and the Glock you so admire will be superseded by others in time. So at this point in time, the Glock is future military junk by your definition.
 
My response would have been, Lets see your Glock in 100 years to see if it is still top of the heap auto pistol wise in both sales and competition use.
 
Lets see, Military wanted to join NATO in the whole 9mm shehbang and wanted a low cost replacement for the 1911 and some of those guns were over 60 years old because the military never bothered to buy more. Certain special forces and even the Marines MEU still uses that military junk. Why are the professionals using the 1911 more than the Glock?

Why?
 
We already know and it is a proven fact that the 1911 was junked after only 40 years. It will be interesting to see what the next 40 will bring. I can tell you this, the next 40 years won't take the 1911 out of the junk pile that is for sure!
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1911 handgun years of service 1911 - 1986

1986 subtract 1911 equals 75

75 equals 40?

If we are in the NATO alliance then why are we using non standard NATO rounds sir? You stated the Marines still use 1911's I didn't!
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The MEU is in a sense special forces, the regular Marines are issued the Beretta M9A1. We are using non standard rounds but the same caliber because we already adopted the guns and its a hassle to replace a weapon system in a Military.
 
Tell him he can have another sip of his kool-aid now...;)

I liken my 1911s as the Impala SS with with a 409, and Glocks as the current day Hondas; each has a place, a purpose, and a following.
 
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It is still MILITARY JUNK regardless of what you want to call it. It was junked because of numerous design flaws. Do you want to talk about them like grown ups?
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When are you going to start talking like a grown up? Seriously? Because you are sounding, for all the world, exactly like a ten year old who just had her balloon popped. I am not even slightly exaggerating; that is how you are acting. For example: your habit of ignoring points, rather than responding to them, and repeating falsehoods, even after they've been pointed out and corrected. You asked what a 1911 can do better. I and others have given you specific examples. Your response is to ignore them, and then repeat the question.

Another falsehood you keep repeating is that the 1911 was "junked" because of "numerous design flaws." This is nonsense. It was replaced, as I already explained to you, because the weapons in military arsenals were all very old, very worn weapons that had been in service for a minimum of over four decades, and were just plain worn out and in need of replacement. A new gun was settled upon because the military wanted to standardize on 9mm with the rest of NATO. That is NOT being "junked" because of "numerous design flaws." The weapon stayed in service for 74 years! The only small arm that ever had a longer stay in the US military's inventory is the M2 .50 caliber machine gun. A weapon simply does not become the second longest serving small arm in US military history because it is "junk" that is plagued with design flaws. You want to discuss things like an adult, then act like an adult. Deliberately mischaracterizing something, and then petulantly continuing to do it after being corrected, is not adult behavior.
 
The Glock is cheap, one of the Local departments got Glocks for $150 a piece for trading in their S&W 4506s. The cost factor is the reason why its the most popular LEO weapon.

You missed my last post it seems.

So by your posting all guns that were eventually replaced are Military Junk, The AK 47 is junk, the M1 Garand is Junk, The Hi Power is junk, the M60 is junk etc, etc.
 
And a certified gunsmith and firearms trainer, thanks for noticing or was that intended to be sexist sarcasm also?
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I don't see how it could be taken as Sexist as none was intended.

Sorry that is just not true! The 1911 junking process started during WWII but like any thing Government it moved so slow. Just another fact at you there sir!
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That gun came out in 1956, 11 years after WWII and was only used by the Navy SEALs, SEALs seem to like 9mm.

The longest serving pistol ever used by our military is the S&W revolver. Still there to this day, MIM parts and all!
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WHO USES A REVOLVER IN THE MILITARY?
 
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