My carry weapon was outed tonight

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Yeah. Thats the same thing. You underwear is the same thing as bringing a weapon into someones home. And you also can't tell the difference between open carry on the streets or on someones property? Those arguments are nothing more than rants. I can't find any merit in any of those statements.

If someone comes into my home, I think I have the right to know if he is bringing a weapon into my home. I think its safe to ASSUME he has undergarments on. If that person doesn't trust me enough to be safe in my home, he shouldn't be in my home. If he isn't courteous or trusting enough to tell me hie is armed. He shouldn't be in my home. I could care less who is armed on the street. They have no obligation to me when I'm on the street in the public. But my HOME belongs to me and I set the rules there. If someone chooses not to respect that than I don't want them there.

Just to help enlighten your ignorance, MOST people I know carry firearms and they are welcome to have them on them when they visit because I know they carry. If it was someone I didn't know, they should let me know. I never carry a weapon into the home of someone I don't know or trust. I don't go there. Whats going to happen that you can justify? You went into their home with a concealed weapon, they threatened you in their own home so you shot them? Good Logic.
A weapon is just a tool. And you are also a guest. The only legal right you have to be there is because THEY give it to you. If they say leave, you can't be there anymore. That is why most states give private property owners the right to say if concealed weapons are allowed on their property and kind post signs prohibiting it. You shouldn't have to post a sign on your home if you are against concealed carry and you shouldn't carry a weapon into someones home if they don't condone it. You right to carry doesn't trump their rights in their home.
 
Just to enlighten YOUR ignorance Jon, I never said my right to carry trumps personal property rights. I asked why you think people need to inform other people of a tool on their belt. I suppose, based on your post, that anyone who wants to come into your home gets a questionnaire to fill out with permitted and prohibited items?

And also to enlighten your ignorance, I don't go to people's homes with the expectation of having to shoot them or of them beating me up. But I do carry everywhere. Well, I wouldn't carry in your house of course. :neener:
 
I would have discretely asked the homeowner what her feelings were before I decided to attend any recurring gathering at her home while packing a firearm. If I could not gain her permission, in absolute privacy, I would either not attend, or attend unarmed, much the same as you must do when visiting any government facility or place so posted.
 
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Another viewpoint on this is that if I am worried about not being able to protect myself in someone else's house without my weapon - nevermind the ludicrous idea that I need to bring my weapon into their house to protect them - then perhaps I shouldn't go to that person's house. If I am not close enough to them to be open or if I do not trust them to protect me while in their house, I don't have to go into their house. That's a better option than coming into their home secretly armed.
 
I think you did about as well as you could have in such a situation. However, what you should be doing between the time of the incident and your next conversation and beyond, is PRAYING about it. I'm not saying you haven't (and hope you have); I just know I often don't think to pray about situations when I should. Praying isn't fluff....
 
Dalepres, I think I am beginning to understand some of the comments similar to yours, and maybe even what jon_in_wv might be trying to say. The issue isn't a conscious decision to carry in a particular person's home out of fear of being attacked. The issue is carrying everywhere all the time, and just happening to visit this person in her home.

I do not presume to speak for the OP. But here where I live, I carry all the time. I am sitting here at my computer with a Sig Sauer on my hip. I am not scared, I am not paranoid, I am ready to go out and do whatever it is I need to do today, and carrying my gun is just as much a regular part of that as carrying my wallet, keys, and cell phone. I don't make distinctions of places where I need to carry and places where I don't. The Feds and the Commonwealth of PA have made some of those distinctions for me, but that is about it. Everywhere else I go, my gun goes with me unless I am told it is not welcome. I have yet to have that happen. Most of the time it is OC, although in some instances it is CC out of consideration for those around me who might be "skeered".

I get the very strong impression that the OP carries the same way. I know there are a lot of people here who are occasional carriers. Then there are those of us who carry all the time. People like to label us paranoid, but I have yet to figure out when I am going to need things like my gun, my seatbelt, etc. I got to use my seatbelt just the other day when a guy made a U turn into us. I had less than two seconds of warning that something was happening, and all of a sudden Mrs. Plinker and I were sitting in a pile of metal in the middle of the road, thankful that we were wearing our seatbelts, and that our airbags did not have to deploy. But I can't predict that stuff, so I also don't presume to predict when I am going to need a firearm. The solution is to carry it all the time. That is no more paranoid than putting on my seatbelt every time I get into the car or truck.

As for the post following yours, the lady suggested that the OP pray about the whole thing. This is, after all, a discussion about carrying a firearm into a private Bible study, so the admonition to pray is certainly appropriate. ;) I think it is appropriate all the time, but there are those here who would disagree. What a surprise.
 
Yeah. Thats the same thing. You underwear is the same thing as bringing a weapon into someones home. And you also can't tell the difference between open carry on the streets or on someones property? Those arguments are nothing more than rants. I can't find any merit in any of those statements.

If someone comes into my home, I think I have the right to know if he is bringing a weapon into my home. I think its safe to ASSUME he has undergarments on. If that person doesn't trust me enough to be safe in my home, he shouldn't be in my home. If he isn't courteous or trusting enough to tell me hie is armed. He shouldn't be in my home. I could care less who is armed on the street. They have no obligation to me when I'm on the street in the public. But my HOME belongs to me and I set the rules there. If someone chooses not to respect that than I don't want them there.

Just to help enlighten your ignorance, MOST people I know carry firearms and they are welcome to have them on them when they visit because I know they carry. If it was someone I didn't know, they should let me know. I never carry a weapon into the home of someone I don't know or trust. I don't go there. Whats going to happen that you can justify? You went into their home with a concealed weapon, they threatened you in their own home so you shot them? Good Logic.
A weapon is just a tool. And you are also a guest. The only legal right you have to be there is because THEY give it to you. If they say leave, you can't be there anymore. That is why most states give private property owners the right to say if concealed weapons are allowed on their property and kind post signs prohibiting it. You shouldn't have to post a sign on your home if you are against concealed carry and you shouldn't carry a weapon into someones home if they don't condone it. You right to carry doesn't trump their rights in their home.
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Excellent post giving the homeowner side of the question.

I agree, btw, with the statement that the underwear comparison is a poor one. Irrelevant, really, and kind of strange.
 
I'm not anti-prayer. I'm very pro-prayer. But with that answer it seems there's no need for gun forums; all of the answers have been provided. At least she could have tied the preach to guns, by saying something like "hold your shirt tail down when getting in your knees to pray so that your gun doesn't get 'outed'"
 
jon in wv said:
If someone comes into my home, I think I have the right to know if he is bringing a weapon into my home. I think its safe to ASSUME he has undergarments on. If that person doesn't trust me enough to be safe in my home, he shouldn't be in my home. If he isn't courteous or trusting enough to tell me hie is armed. He shouldn't be in my home. I could care less who is armed on the street. They have no obligation to me when I'm on the street in the public. But my HOME belongs to me and I set the rules there. If someone chooses not to respect that than I don't want them there.
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I can understand the "my home is my castle" philosophy, but this is a bit over the top. Personally, I believe RKBA includes my home, and only exercise discretion over who comes in, not what they wear. Yes, I have the right to decide who enters my property, but I make this decision based on character, not a strip search. The Constitution is not suspended at my property line.
 
I'm not anti-prayer. I'm very pro-prayer. But with that answer it seems there's no need for gun forums; all of the answers have been provided. At least she could have tied the preach to guns, by saying something like "hold your shirt tail down when getting in your knees to pray so that your gun doesn't get 'outed'"
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I'm not saying you are anti prayer, just trying to explain the perspective. My take on it is that she is advising the OP to pray for wisdom in how to handle the situation, a worthy bit of advice in any situation.
 
If that person doesn't trust me enough to be safe in my home, he shouldn't be in my home.
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I wouldn't visit the home of anyone I expected to attack me, of course. But, "stuff happens" - home invasions and the like. I imagine THAT'S more like what people are thinking of when they carry guns into the homes of others.

What if they have to take a taxi or something to your house? Are you going to ride back with them in order to ensure their safety?

For that matter, anyone who seems to feel as strongly as you do that someone would never NEED a weapon in their home just might have an "inflated" opinion of their abilities. Or maybe a lack of appreciation for the fact that criminals don't schedule "appointments." ;)

I'll certainly do my darnedest to keep any guests I have safe, but would not feel the least bit chaffed if the "SHTF" one day and one of them pulled out a gun I didn't know about and started helping me.

That's because ANYONE who is welcome in my home is welcome to be armed, whether I know it or not.

If you feel the need to ask someone whether they're carrying a gun, or would feel uncomfortable if you knew they had one - why are you letting them into YOUR home? :confused:
 
+1 Harpo

i provide a space, a high up lockable cabinat in the guest bath, for those who wish to relieve themselves whilst visiting. frequent visitors know where the key is.
 
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I would have discretely asked the homeowner what her feelings were before I decided to attend any recurring gathering at her home while packing a firearm. If I could not gain her permission, in absolute privacy, I would either not attend, or attend unarmed, much the same as you must do when visiting any government facility or place so posted.
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That seems a very reasonable approach.

I'm gonna adopt that idea because it makes so much sense and is the most unobtrusive and simple idea yet in this thread.

I disagree with Harpo's implication that jon_in_wv is suspending the Constitution in his home. That's not correct. Jon, I'm sure, has no intention of suspending any guest's rights and he makes a good case for his position.
 
Green Lantern, You didn't pay the least bit attention to my post. You ranted on for paragraphs and didn't make one bit of sense. I told you MOST of my friends carry and I have no problem with them carrying in my home. If someone comes over to my house that I don't know, and they told me they had a weapon, I would appreciate the thought. If I felt the situation called for it maybe we would secure it for the evening and I would return it when he left. Personally I would probably just let them keep it on them, but isn't that MY choice in my home? If they don't like it they can leave. Thats their choice.

In a gathering of my friends, if something happened, I guarantee there would be MANY extra guns on hand to handle it. If you READ, you would have caught that the first time I wrote about it.

The idea that I said that someone would never "NEED" a weapon in their home is just ignorant. I said no such thing nor do I believe that.

You last sentence is the only one that made sense except you are assuming something that doesn't exist. If I didn't trust them, I wouldn't let them in my home. I don't know why you think I would. I never said anything of the sort. The question is about honesty and character and respect. Not RKBA. You realize that the 2nd ammendment is about the government don't you? It doesn't say you have the RKBA anywhere and NOBODY can say squat. If your on someones property and if they say "Scram I don't like guns", what are you going to do? Quote the second ammendment back at them? No, you have to leave. Thats called the FIRST ammendment. You have a right to assemble with anyone you choose. On their property THEY get to choose with whom they assemble. If they don't like you exercising your 2nd ammendment right than you'll just have to exercise it somewhere else. I just happen to believe you should be man enough to allow THEM to have the choice in their own home. If you don't have the fortitude or character to be honest with them, thats not my problem.
 
Green Lantern expressed it well for me, too: anyone who is welcome in my home is welcome to be armed, whether I know about it or not.

I acknowledge that some people carry all the time because they understand that one cannot schedule an emergency. To ask my guests to disarm, or to ask them whether they are carrying, does not fit my own particular notions of hospitality or practicality. I don't wish to impose "fiddling with a weapon and locking it in the trunk" as a condition for coming to visit me.

I don't want anyone to visit my home if they have active tuberculosis or some other condition which would be hazardous to me. I simply don't see guns carried by the kind of visitors that I have to be any hazard at all.

Those are my preferences for my house. I'll say again that a person is free to make whatever rules they wish for their guests in their own houses. The Bill of Rights lists what the Government may not do. Individuals may prohibit whatever they wish in their homes, whether I think that their prohibition is a good idea or not.

That said, I suggest that you interact with this woman in whatever way that occurs to you, romeo212000, after you've spent some time in prayer about it.
 
But the person in the OP did have a problem with someone carrying in thier house Brian and thats the point. If I'm going to the house of one of my friends they know that I carry and its implied that I probably have my weapon on me. The OP was going to Bible study at the house of someone who didn't know he was armed and apparently didn't care for it. Thats a different situation than what you would allow in your own house. I am posting from the perspective of the the ORIGINAL situation and what was right in that situation, not what I allow in my house or in yours.
 
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But the person in the OP did have a problem with someone carrying in thier house Brian and thats the point.
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Got that part, jon. I think that you and I just have different writing styles.
 
First of all - to be clear, I NEVER claimed to have the right to carry somewhere where I KNEW the property owner did not want me to. Granted by the 2A, the Creator, or anyone else.

I think the difference here might best be expressed thus:

-Some people feel that it's okay to CCW at someone else's house UNLESS they are told otherwise

-Some people feel that it's NOT okay to CCW at someone else's house UNLESS they are told otherwise

Look, I can see where jon is coming from, and how "his way" is even arguably the most "polite." You can be TOO polite sometimes though. Like letting a bunch of cars into traffic...while there a lot of cars behind you! ;)

But to explain where *I* am coming from:

-How would you feel if someone took out a large ad in the newspaper proclaiming that you carried a gun?

Not the BEST example, but the end result has the POTENTIAL to be the same, the more people that know you carry. I was going to use examples of scumbag reporters like that guy in the Roanoke Times posting the whole LIST of people...

But that's not a good example either. At least in that case the victims had the "cold comfort" of being one among MANY. Not so in this case, it's all YOU.

I'm not saying that homeowners need to post 30.06 signs exactly, but if they lay down the rules on other matters (no food in the living room, no shoes on the carpet, no smoking) - why not add "and no guns!"

If you go into a business and don't see that it's posted, do you go find someone in management just to make REALLY sure you can carry there? :confused:

It does not have to be totally explicit either. If I go to someone's house for something and find out that they're members of the Brady Campaign :uhoh: - then I'll quickly try to find some excuse to head out to my car and disarm...

And I still can't help but wonder some of the finer details of the latter mindset. A gun is a tool that can be a weapon. So is a knife. Pepper spray is a defensive tool. Your BODY can be a weapon if trained properly...or maybe even if you get LUCKY...

If you would ask if it's okay to carry a gun into someone's home before doing so...Would you do the same for any of those?
 
Green Lantern said:
-How would you feel if someone took out a large ad in the newspaper proclaiming that you carried a gun?
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A newspaper in Roanoke did that very thing not too long ago, and people were not happy about that as you mention.

The rest of this is not directed to you Green Lantern, but just some observations in general.

As to the issue of people carrying guns in my house without my knowing it, I am careful as to who I invite into my house. Whether they have a gun or not is a side issue. If they are the kind of people I would be concerned about if they had a gun, I would not invite them in the first place.

The OP also mentioned that he would respect the wishes of the homeowner to not bring his gun into the house again. That seems to have been missed by a couple of people in this thread.

I think the real issue is this. The homeowner knew the OP and invited him into her home based on that knowledge. Once the presence of the gun was revealed, his character and welcome suddenly changed. But in reality, he is not a different person, nor has his character been changed. But the presence of an inanimate object has now rendered him persona non grata. It is the mere presence of this inanimate object that has disturbed the homeowner in the original post, as well as jon_in_wv.

A person's character does not change due to a piece of metal in his or her pocket. That piece of metal may bring to light character flaws, but they are already there. And, they will manifest themselves eventually, gun or no gun. If another person thinks that I am going to shoot the place up just because I have a gun, then I personally would not bother to associate with him. That person is the one with a problem, not me.
 
I think the OP was a poor example of pro gun and poor example of Christian at that. There is no need for a property owner in a private setting to have to explain their being "uncomfortable" to anyone on their property. To carry after they let it be known they were uncomfortable with the situation was just plain rude-inconsiderate and "not right" bordering on subliminal bullying....

they did not make a stink in your face your should not have been so haughty in your response. There was no good reason not to got put the tool in your car then come back in,
 
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