My carry weapon was outed tonight

[romeo212000]

Excuse me but you have no right to call me a poor pro-gun person or a poor example for a Christian. I discovered her wishes and have chosen to respect them by not attending her home, because I refuse to give up my right to protect me and my family. I did not beat her over the head, you were not there and do not know exactly how the situation took place. You apparently did not read my previous posts where i clearly stated i did not know she was uncomfortable with my carrying before because it is not my obligation to let every person know I choose to protect myself legally and morally. I was noth haughty in my response and once again you were not there. I left immediatly following discivering her point of view and have damn good reason not to just put it in my car and return. The reason is because bad things can happen everywhere. Now before you post again read the thread and if you do not want to get the facts then shut your mouth.

 

[tallpaul]

Your op stated terms such as later and that you quizzed her on her position... you did not say you immediately left her home- you stayed and quizzed her

I know that as a Christian and a CCW'r myself I would not stay to quiz a friend on the position on their property. I would honor their home... If I were to argue the point it would be after I left and before I went back.

if you were quizzing her instead of leaving ya were haughty whether you want to believe it or not- look up the word... its ENGLISH ya know....

I read the thread- maybe you need to be clear in the way you write... maybe proofread what ya write?


and BTW YOU asked what we thought and what we would do- why get yer panties in a wad just because you don't agree with fact and opinion?

 

[romeo212000]

I did not quiz her, I just asked her what it was that made her uncomfortable so i could let her know I had the proper licensing and that it changed nothing. Once she made clear she did not want the gun in her home I left. I did not argue with her and have not spoken with her about it since then and have not entered her home. You are reading way too much into this. I think you are the one being haughty calling me a bully.

 

[PennsyPlinker]

I know that as a Christian and a CCW'r myself I would not stay to quiz a friend on the position on their property. I would honor their home... If I were to argue the point it would be after I left and before I went back.

Hey tallpaul, the only instance of the word quiz in this thread appears to be your usage. Maybe you should try to write a little more clearly. It is ENGLISH you know...

 

[romeo212000]

Thankyou PennsyPlinker. I was wondering where he got quiz. Some people are just so miserable they are not happy unless they are trying to make others miserable.

 

[jahwarrior]

They have to answer no, knowing full well I have it. And they usually won't ask me what is under my shirt, because they know I will ask them what color panties they are wearing, and they don't want to go there.

ROFL!!!! the next time i'm confronted about it, i'm going to remember this.

 

[romeo212000]

Used it once already. It is very effective. If someone asks me am I carrying, I decided I will ask "Are you wearing panties?"

 

[tallpaul]

good golly- a quiz or to quiz is to question- which ya said you did do...

deny yer issue or pass em on ta me- I don't care. I answered your original questions to the forum and ya got mad at me because I did not support you in a way that you would have liked. If ya are this thinned skinned maybe ya should not carry to begin with

 

[tallpaul]

Used it once already. It is very effective. If someone asks me am I carrying, I decided I will ask "Are you wearing panties?"

yet more proof of your issues-

ask in your next bible study if asking someone other than your wife if they are wearing panties is a good Godly question? I'd bet ya would not say that to your pastors wife if she asked ya if you were carrying

 

[romeo212000]

I got mad at your because you resorted to name calling by stating i was being a bully and a poor example of a Christian. As stated, the only instance of the word quiz is in your posts. I doubt anyone bbut you would call what I did "quizzing." Technically you are right quizzing is to ask a question, but I did not "question" or as you seem to be presenting it interrogate this girl. Merely asked what she was uncomfortable with and stated that I had my permit and was within my legal rights and that it did not change me at all. You are making it sound like I tried to lecture her. The time that transpired from which i initially asked her what made her uncomfortable to the time the door hit me in the butt on the way out was probably 2 minutes tops.

 

[romeo212000]

I would say it to anyone. While a position of respect, a pastor is still just a man with a title. My pastor now knows I carry and has no issue with it. Second I never said it was with anyone at my bible study. I think you are the one with issues resorting to bullying and name calling.

 

[robsc]

``And by the way. I do not have to have expressed permission to carry on someone else's property. I must leave if they ask and if I do not or if I return I can be arrested for trespassing but that is all.``

romeo212000
Senior Member
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If she presses charges agianst you and it goes to court. I want to be a fly on the wall in the courtroom when you tell that to the Judge.

 

[romeo212000]

She cannot press charges against me. In Oklahoma I cannot be arrested for carrying on private property. I can only be arrested for trespassing if I refuse to leave once asked, or if I enter property once being told I was not welcome. Either way I am covered.

 

[tallpaul]

You questioned someones belief in their own home while continuing to do something that made her uncomfortable...

my statements were/are technically accurate that is likely why they trouble you.

mind you you seem to think them minor points but I am sure if someone made your wife even a little uncomfortable you would appreciate it if they worked with care and concern for her especially if it was being done in your home!

You apparently see nothing wrong with doing something that made someone uncomfortable IN THEIR OWN HOME and remedied the situation only after you asked her (quizzed her) and then at your convenience took the gun out of her house.

as far as the bullying comment- your being a man and likely bigger and armed made her uncomfortable even more so- but I see as do others that that was not important to you in this case.

If it was in a public place or your place it is a bit different if legal to do so but in someone elses home I was accurate in my assessment...

and I see ya said it was two minutes from the time you quizzed her till ya left- but the question is - how long was it since you heard her and the lady talking of their objection before ya left her?

as I said ya don't see it and while maybe legal- its not very respectful of someone elses private property rights...

 

[romeo212000]

You are incrediablly delusional. you use circular logic to prove a point. You know you are wrong. i only asked her why she was uncomfortable because I did not know if she knew I had a permit. I have a friend that something similar happened to, almost identical in fact but it played differently in that when he explained he had a permit and was legally ok the homeowner had no problem with his carrying. That was my only reason for asking. Keep trying to prove your not an indignant know-it-all bully but its not working.

 

[cambeul41]

You questioned someones belief

I am sorry, I thought he asked her what bothered her, that is hardly the same thing as "questioning her beliefs." Then he left witin two minutes. That is hardly "at [his] convenience."

Apparently you think he should have fled without knowing what the problem was, without having tried to clarify a possible misunderstanding?

If he offers an apology would that pacify your wrath?

 

[tallpaul]

romeo- ya are doing a great job at doing what ya are accusing me of... you can only try to dismiss the facts you gave us as trivial or not worthy of consideration but they are still there... she owed you no explanation of her concern- especially in HER OWN HOUSE. I am sure you would have issues as I said if someone made your wife uncomfortable in her own home- ya did not address that- you only continue to try to dismiss her rights by stating yours...

As I said before even if you were "legal" its not very christian or mature to question her in her own home... especially while you are still in the state of having the condition that makes her uncomfortable

you continue to not be able to see that and continue to attack me for giving my opinion and view on a subject YOU asked for such on...

 

[Pilgrim]

What church denomination?

Pilgrim

 

[FCFC]

I think the OP was a poor example of pro gun [person]...

I agree with that opinion.
If there were a need to select a person to do represent the the pro carry position to an audience consisting of people like the homeowner involved, the OP would be way down on the list.

Many of his comments here and his newness to carry and interacting with related problems do make him a poor example of a pro gun [person].

Maybe he'll get better with time and experience. I hope so.

 

[Brian Dale]

Guys: the map is not the territory. That means that the words which we use to describe events are not the same and do not submit to exactly the same distinctions as the events themselves. In a discussion on the Net, it pays for all of us to try to discern the fine points of the events described and to offer the best advice that we can.

Sometimes word games are fun; in other cases they can cloud the issue at hand. If a post isn't clear enough, it's not wrong to mentally hit the "Christian Charity" button, to give another poster the benefit of the doubt about trying to describe events, attitudes and facial expressions with words, and to ask questions to clarify things.

It's more useful to teach than to berate, especially when a person on the same "side" of a nationally-discussed topic such as CCW has requested that knowledge be shared.

 

[David E]

I haven't waded thru all 7 pages of responses, but it seems to me that the best thing to do is to invite the homeowner shooting with you and your wife.

She fears guns because they are largely unknown to her. Remove that fear by taking her shooting. Promise her a dinner out afterwards (with your wife present also, of course)

Maybe that other friend too.....the one that outted you, but not on the same trip.

Keep it fun, keep it light, keep it short, no more than an hour. Make sure your wife engages her, showing her how easy it is to be gun-safe.

At the next bible study, they just might relay to the others how much fun it was and how they don't fear guns anymore.

Meanwhile, change your mode of carry and dress to reveal that, surely, you can't be carrying a gun! If they can't see it, it's not there. (as it was before the faux pas on your part) There are two quick ways to do this: Go to pocket carry for a .380 or .38 snubby, or, buy a 5.11 holstershirt and put in whatever gun still hides for you.

A tucked in shirt seals the deal.

As for how you handled it, I think a better way would've been to say that your car has been broken into before and you simply don't want a criminal to steal your gun, so you're carrying it for safekeeping.

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[FCFC]

I haven't waded thru all 7 pages of responses, but it seems to me that the best thing to do is to invite the homeowner shooting with you and your wife.

That doesn't seem to be even remotely an option. One of the posts by OP indicates that the homeowner is not even willing to talk to him.

The OP's initial description of the homeowner uncomfortability seems to have been muted. As it turns out, they ain't currently even on speaking terms...(If I read Post #117 correctly).

 

[David E]

I have perused most of the posts, now, and missed the one where they're not on speaking terms.

Too bad.

I think my suggestion would've worked, if acted upon earlier.

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[PennsyPlinker]

That doesn't seem to be even remotely an option. The latest post by OP indicates that the homeowner is not even willing to talk to him.

The OP's description of the homeowner uncomfortability seems to have muted. As it turns out, they ain't currently even on speaking terms...

I did not argue with her and have not spoken with her about it since then and have not entered her home.

FCFC, you are just amazing! Romeo wrote that he has not spoken with her about the issue and has not been to her house again since then. All that means is he hasn't spoken to her since then about this issue. And it's been a whopping week and a half since the incident!

How in the world can you deduce that they are not on speaking terms? Do you have special powers we don't know about? I've watched your posts in this thread go from "you did fine" to heaping abuse on the OP. Most of what you have posted lately is "me too" stuff, quoting someone else's post. And now you are using special powers to know what the OP means even when he doesn't write that! There ain't much original thought or contribution to the discussion going on there, huh? :banghead:

I have perused most of the posts, now, and missed the one where they're not on speaking terms.

No David, you didn't miss that post because there wasn't one like it - except in the special imagination of FCFC.

 

[SCKimberFan]

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