My carry weapon was outed tonight

[FCFC]

Trust me. I conceal very well.

Not really.

How would you know? Yes I was outed. Yes it was an accident. I have also carried with these guys many times and never been outed before. It happens. I will take precautions to make sure it does not happen again. Don't get smart with me because of something that happens at least once to almost every permit holder in their lifetime.

Well, I don't know if what other people may have done is the criterion for evaluating your performance as described in the OP.

This thread is about how you handled the situation.

You tripped the unfortunate and uncomfortable (for all present, including you, evidently) series of events by being deficient in your responsibility to conceal a firearm. Everything flows from that failure. Comparing it to what happens to "every permit holder" out there is getting off track. In the first place, you are pretty inexperienced at carrying. In the second, you don't really know what has happened to "every permit holder" out there. I have never "outed" my carry weapon in my lifetime. I'm sure many other CCWers never "outed" theirs either.

BTW, interesting use of the passive voice in your thread title:

My carry weapon was outed tonight​

Most people would have chosen a more accurate wording, such as:

I outed my carry weapon tonight​

This second title clearly describes the responsibility for the action. The gun, after all, does not "out" itself....

 

[Treo]

My CCW is still in the closet

 

[dm1333]

I am under no obligation neither legally nor morally to let anyone know I am carrying on their property to protect the safety of myself and my family.

In some states if you bring a concealed weapon into a persons home without asking their permission you are breaking the law. Louisiana is one such state. Did you check to see if what you did was legal in your state?

 

[romeo212000]

Yes I did and that is not the case in Oklahoma.

Mr 1973, nice to see there are still trolls in here

FCFC, Yes it was a mistake on my part. I did not ever refuse to accept responsibility for that. I have never had that issue before and yes I am somewhat comparatively inexperienced at concealed carrying, but, I also learn from my mistakes which you cannot seem to get through your elitist head. You think you are better than me because your weapon has never been spotted. That simply means you have been very careful and very fortunate. Second, please do not pick apart my title of my thread. How I worded it meant nothing other than the fact that is how i have seen it worded multiple times before and that is just what popped into my head. You may thing doing so makes you look really smart and dignified. It really makes you look like an arrogant ass with nothing better to do than tear someone down who is seeking helpful advice. Maybe you have an inferiority complex. See I can use psychology terminology too. Yes everything flowed from the fact that I allowed my weapon to be shown but that was not the question I asked in my OP. My question was how did I handle the sitiation following that. If you have something constructive to add to the discussion please feel free to post. Otherwise, take your opinions elsewhere.

As for my pastor, he knows several people carry in the church. I do not see it being an issue with me as it has not been with others.

 

[SCKimberFan]

Let me see if I have this correct, you posted about an incident that happened to you and asked the following questions:

Do you guys feel I handled this correctly? How would you recommend I have handled it, and how would you handle it if asked not to carry it at the house anymore?

Now when someone gives you their response and you don't like it, you call them elistist and tell them to go post elsewhere. It sounds to me like you are being the elistist here. Asking for someone's opinion, then telling them to go pound salt (my paraphrase) is not very High Road at all. If you can't take the criticism, don't ask someone for their opinion.

Time to unwad your panties.

 

[buck460XVR]

Let me see if I have this correct, you posted about an incedent that happened to you and asked the following questions:

Do you guys feel I handled this correctly? How would you recommend I have handled it, and how would you handle it if asked not to carry it at the house anymore?

Now when someone gives you their response and you don't like it, you call them elistist and tell them to go post elsewhere. It sounds to me like you are being the elistist here. Asking for someone's opinion, then telling them to go pound salt (my paraphrase) is not very High Road at all. If you can't take the criticism, don't ask someone for their opinion.

Time to unwad your panties.

a big +1

same thing I tell my wife......if you don't want to hear those pants make your azz look fat....don't ask.

 

[Exmasonite]

I thought I handled it very respectfully, did I not. Second I do not have to go around getting every property owners permission before I set foot on their property to carry there. If it becomes an issue I respect their wishes.

Romeo-

I think you handled things very well. All that being said, if the person in question IS a friend and you are knowingly aware that she is "uncomfortable" with you carrying, I think you owe it to her to do 2 things:

1) Sit down and attempt to educate/discuss/open her eyes to CCW and firearms (if she chooses to)

2) (more importantly) I think you should ask her if it's ok for you to carry in her household.

As far as question 2, i understand you're not obligated to inform somebody but in THIS situation, given that she knows and it's "an issue", you should ask her permission if you truly consider her a friend.

I would also say, "If you do not want me to carry in your house, i will respect your wishes but i can also tell you that I will refrain from visiting your house in the future... that is how seriously I feel about protecting myself and loved ones."

good luck and let us know what you decide.

 

[romeo212000]

Somebody tell me how this guy tearing down the title to my thread is giving me advice on how to deal with the situation at hand? Someone please tell me how pointing out that I messed up by letting my weapon be seen (which I readily admitted to and made a point of learning from) is gving advice on what I asked for? Anyone? SCKimberfan... how did the last few posts this guy ha posted answer the questions you mentioned I asked in your post? He has not. He has just torn my down for making a mistake that happens fairly commonly once to each CCW'r. It is a learning opportunity, and i take it as such. No need to tear someone down for it.

 

[Treo]

If you handled the incident like you handle this thread you probably didn't do it all that well. all I've heard from you since, pretty much, post 1 is justification of why you're not wrong

 

[romeo212000]

How many times have I admitted to making a mistake by letting my weapon show? Is that justification of not being wrong?

 

[SiNNiK]

Saw this and thought of this thread.

1 dead, eight wounded by gunfire in church

"KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - A man wielding a shotgun entered a church and opened fire as congregants watched a youth performance Sunday, killing one person and injuring eight others, Knoxville Police Chief Sterling Owen said.

..."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25872864

 

[SCKimberFan]

It all goes back to your original post, if you don't want people to give you their opinions, don't ask for them.

 

[SoCalShooter]

Sounds like you handled it politely and carefully. There is not much you can do in that situation, once you made the gigs up. Just be glad it did not happen in a more public place. Since I put in for my Utah permit, I got several holsters and a new gun for them and have been testing different configs with different pieces of my wardrobe and honestly its damned difficult to make sure you get it absolutely perfect but I think I have found it. Just check your wardrobe and see if there is anything that sticks out as non-ccw clothing.

 

[romeo212000]

Thanks for the solid opinions those of you who stuck to the topic. I have used your advise to design a manner in which i will proceed from here.

SCKimberFan, I asked for opinions on a certain topic. Thos opinons did not fall in line with those topics.

 

[FCFC]

I have used your advise to design a manner in which i will proceed from here.

What do you plan to do?

 

[Green Lantern]

Saw this and thought of this thread.

1 dead, eight wounded by gunfire in church

"KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - A man wielding a shotgun entered a church and opened fire as congregants watched a youth performance Sunday, killing one person and injuring eight others, Knoxville Police Chief Sterling Owen said.

..."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25872864

+1!

OP, I would be very interested to hear the opinions of your study-mates on that shooting!

 

[romeo212000]

If she is ever willing to talk to me I will certainly bring that up. Thanks for the info. Thats good stuff.

 

[jonmerritt]

Well, if they are getting beat over the head by a bg that broke into there house, or worse. Don't go in there to try and save there lives with your concealed weapon, because they don't want it in there house.

 

[marv]

No matter how hard you try, you cannot unring the bell It is done. That said, you should get a smaller gun and take up Pocket Carry.

 

[Mr.1973]

Mr 1973, nice to see there are still trolls in here

What are you saying? Are you saying I am an anti in THR clothing?

Whatever. I just think outed posts are lame. LAME.

Unless it has potential to cause loss of human life.

Sheeesh.

 

[FCFC]

If she is ever willing to talk to me I will certainly bring that up. Thanks for the info. Thats good stuff.

Ahh, I see now. I didn't get from your prior posts that the woman didn't want to discuss the issue with you.

That, of course, makes it much harder, even impossible, to get her to change her being uncomfortable with you and your gun in her house.

Sounds like there is no chance...

 

[gidaeon]

You made an oops, learned a lesson. Sound you like you handled it responsibly, and are trying to continue to be wise. Its certainly am obvious stressful thing for anyone. As a pastor myself at functions like this all the time, I was very concerned when I first began carrying, so far I limit myself to only very deep concealment bug around the church building. Not sure how people church-wide would respond? I intend to avoid that. I appreciate this threads reminder for everyone to be cautious and keep concealed. Still, its not necessarily your job to 'convert' her to the wisdom of your being soundly armed but to keep a good testimony or image as a person she now knows that does. At least it didn't happen in say.. walmart or some public place with more dire consequences?
As others said, some social situations call for deeper concealment possible even if its a compromise in your favorite.

 

[PennsyPlinker]

Gidaeon, you need to preach a series from the book of Nehemiah, focusing on how they rebuilt the wall with one hand for work, and one hand for their sword!

Nehemiah 4:16-18 16 From that day on, half of my servants carried on the work while half of them held the spears, the shields, the bows and the breastplates; and the captains were behind the whole house of Judah. 17 Those who were rebuilding the wall and those who carried burdens took their load with one hand doing the work and the other holding a weapon. 18 As for the builders, each wore his sword girded at his side as he built, while the trumpeter stood near me.

 

[jon_in_wv]

I never carry a weapon into someone else's home. They have a right to know if I bring a weapon into their home. I think you screwed up and violated their trust by not telling them.

 

[PennsyPlinker]

I never carry a weapon into someone else's home. They have a right to know if I bring a weapon into their home. I think you screwed up and violated their trust by not telling them.

This has been hashed out before, but would you also tell them about your underwear, pocket knife, prosthetic devices, etc? How do you know whether or not someone has a real thing against people wearing boxers instead of briefs? Maybe you wear wife beater t shirts, and you are going into the home of someone who thinks that all people who wear them really do beat their wives. Do you think you have a duty to inform them of that choice in wardrobe? That is exactly what you are saying. A gun is a TOOL. If you aren't planning on using it, why do people need to know about it?

I can't keep the perspective du jour straight anymore. On the one hand there are those who rant and rail against open carry, saying that no one needs to know it is there. Now we have the perspective that you need to inform people so as not to "violate their trust", whatever that is supposed to mean. What does that mean, anyway? Are they trusting you not to shoot them? How does the knowledge of the possession of a weapon change any of that? Hmmmm?