Ok....Why Do People Carry Without One In the Chamber..?

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Kubenzi86 said:
Knocking them out with the butt of the gun will work faster than shooting center of mass.

There's nothing wrong with the logic of my statement, unless your pistol is something like a keltec.
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Ok, so let me get this straight... Hitting someone with a heavy gun is better than shooting them? Ohhh, now that makes perfect sense! :rolleyes:


The thing you neglected to mention, (besides the fact that your whole theory is wayyy out there in fantasy land), is that in order to hit your attacker in the head he would have to be within an arm's length distance, therefor increasing your chances of being injured!

That's why guns were designed to fire projectiles. They replaced the sword for a reason buddy. ;)
 
Im sorry i should have clarified. When i initially mentioned pistol whipping, it was in reference to someone saying they need a round in the chamber in case someone starts stabbing them. I'm not trying to claim that it is smart to run after someone swinging your pistol at them in a gun fight. Sorry for the misconception.
 
I have had a jack daniels bottle broken over my head, knocked a stereo out of the dash of a '64 ford galaxie with it, had a helmet knocked off during a football game and had a 300 lb lineman split my scalp with HIS helmet... and never lost consciousness...
Your logic is HIGHLY flawed.


Jim
 
I find the original question to be too vague and should realize that there can be more than one answer. For instance, there's a difference between one in the chamber and cocked and locked.

1. If it's a double action only or SA/DA with a decocker, then I have no problem carrying one in the chamber. But I will decock it if available.
2. If it's a single action only with an external hammer, (1911A1); I have no problem with one chambered, but I do lower the hammer. (Yes, it can be done safely)
3. If it's an internal HAMMER, that can't be lowered, and it's single action, then I won't carry a round in the chamber. If it was MADE by man, it CAN and eventually WILL fail. But then again, I wouldn't have this type of weapon as a carry piece. So it's not an issue.
4. If it's a striker fire single action only, that locks the firing pin back under spring tension when the slide is racked, then I won't carry one in the chamber. See #3. But a striker fire that is double action and the firing pin isn't held back under spring tension waiting to be released, I will carry one chambered. Again, the single action version I wouldn't carry anyway.

So the answer isn't a simple yes or no. There are certain guns, that if I had to carry because that's all I have, I wouldn't carry it with one in the chamber. But there are some that I would. It depends on the gun. My preference is SA/DA with a decocker. My Sig p220, CZ-82, Walther PPK, and AP-MBP (Walther clone) are all weapons that can be decocked and brought to double action. Those are what I carry with one in the pipe. But I won't carry my 1911A1 springfield cocked and locked. Not going to happen. But I will carry it loaded with the hammer down.
 
Lets say hypotheticly that someone is stabbing the heck out of me. Is it illogical for me to strike them in the head with my gun? If so why? Is there a better alternative?


I could shoot them. But that wont get them off me as quickly. Remember, he's currently stabbing the crap out of me, less than a foot or two away.
 
Trust me... unloading your weapon at contact range into their COM will work better than wackin em on the pumkin...
If you can get your gun to their head... do it, and pull the trigger.


Jim
 
Kubenzi86 said:
Lets say hypotheticly that someone is stabbing the heck out of me. Is it illogical for me to strike them in the head with my gun? If so why? Is there a better alternative?


I could shoot them. But that wont get them off me as quickly. Remember, he's currently stabbing the crap out of me, less than a foot or two away.
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I think your problem is that you are assuming.

Shooting someone at point blank WILL indeed get them off of you instantly, especially with a large caliber. Because with an exit wound the size of a golfball, the loss of blood/damage to internal organs would take the brain a fraction of a second to drop what its doing.

Not to mention getting enough leverage to hit someone hard enough while they are attacking you is more difficult then point and squeeze.
 
Kubenzi86 said:
Lets say hypotheticly that someone is stabbing the heck out of me. Is it illogical for me to strike them in the head with my gun? If so why? Is there a better alternative?


I could shoot them. But that wont get them off me as quickly. Remember, he's currently stabbing the crap out of me, less than a foot or two away.
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If someone's that close with a knife, and is stabbing the heck out of you, your next move will likely be a hose down by the Medical Examiner. You likely only have seconds of cognitive brain function and you're likely disabled.

It's a really bad tactic, and it'll get you killed.

Do an experiment, you both have to be committed, you wear a white T-Shirt get a buddy to attack you with a sharpie you put a banana in your holster, now have him charge and stab and slash at you with the sharpie when he gets hit on the head with the banana he should stop, check out your arms, and T-shirt. Now imagine that the sharpie is a 3-4" knife, then back it up 2-3 slashes/stabs and tell me if you'd survive.

Remember too if someone is attacking you with a knife, it's likely their preferred weapon, is your buddy a knife fighter? Has he trained formally or informally. Also remember that people don't always go down with the first hit on the head, it might take 2-3 or more to knock him down and a real attacker might just go berserk after the first hit. I also doubt that when you try this you're buddy is high on drugs or drunk, which might be the case in real life and may grossly change his attacking ferocity.

Post your results when you're done.
 
There are times when I pocket carry my LCP without a holster in the summer with shorts. These are the only times I don't chamber a round. When I carry with my Bersa 9mm I chamber and decock. Takes only a split second to snap the safety down and fire.

I think there are lots of legitimate reason to chamber or not. I think this is a very personal decision and should be based on what people are ultimately comfortable with.
 
...you put a banana in your holster... when he gets hit on the head with the banana he should stop.
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HAHAHA! That is hilarious. I should clarify, I think the drill is valid and would open anyone's eyes, but I'm picturing it in action and I can't stop laughing.
 
I think the drill is valid and would open anyone's eyes, but I'm picturing it in action and I can't stop laughing.
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I wish I could find this police training video that's on youtube somewhere, but it sets up a situation outside where the officer has a holstered weapon. From around 30 feet away, the assailant pulls out a large knife and charges. Officer is slashed across the throat before clearing the holster. The drill suggested above would show the same results.
 
I wish I could find this police training video that's on youtube somewhere, but it sets up a situation outside where the officer has a holstered weapon. From around 30 feet away, the assailant pulls out a large knife and charges. Officer is slashed across the throat before clearing the holster. The drill suggested above would show the same results.
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I know this isn't what you're looking for, but it does offer a good idea of how fast stuff can happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eZKd2LW9zQ
 
Only a complete idiot would carry a pistol without a round in the chamber. There is a thread on ARFCOM about a member who was in a self-defense shooting a couple months back. He was shot in both hands during the shooting, once when he was trying to unholster. If he didn't have a round in the chamber he would be dead right now.

I also managed to hit the factory magazine release of a Glock 32 while falling down and unholstering to shoot a Great Dane that pounced on my Airedale Terrier while we were walking down the street. Luckily for me the owner was able to command the dog to get off my dog and lay down in the street. As a result I did not shoot the dog with the round in the chamber, but if I needed to I would have been in a hell of a bind with no magazine and no round in the chamber.

I'm sorry, but if you think carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is a good idea you are an idiot.
 
I carry -1 when I "mexican carry" and don't like the idea of pointing a live round at my "other gun" and its associated magazines when I'm sitting down....
 
Two reasons not to carry chambered.

#1 You don't trust the gun
#2 You don't trust yourself

......AND you aren't willing to fix #1 and #2, but are willing to carry in a less effective manner.
 
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