Real mall ninja in my area.

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Those guys are odd ones. They usually couldn't/wouldn't make in the military or in law enforcement or if they were in the mil, they were swabbing decks or slinging slop.

One of my best friends has a friend who is an odd bird too. The guy has told my friend for years that he was an "assassin for the government". I always put up with it until this 3rd party started making "Special Forces" claims. I wasn't in SF, but I have ZERO tolerance for frauds, so I finally told my (woefully uninformed friend) that his buddy was FOS. I don't know if he actually believes it, though.
 
jonmerritt said:
Last mistake he made as a mall ninja.
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I hope you sued and the idiot is paying off your house. These guys shouldn't even be able to operate under law. Just what statute gives them the right to even pretend to be guards?
 
In Texas an armed security officer is required to go through 30 hours of training and pass aboth a written exam and a firearm proficiency.{granted the proficiency exam is not that tough} The class consists of Use of Force, Texas Penal Code{mostly section 9} writing reports , Arrest Authority, and 10 hours of firearm training. I teach these classes part time. Are there some people who I would rather not see armed... of course. I see tons of people I would not trust with a gun at Cabela's.

A well trained security officer on a property is a fantastic deterrent to the criminal element. You are looking for cars to break into, which apartment complex will you go shopping at,hmmm the one with the "mall ninja" walking around with a flashlight doing his/her job ,or the place with no security.

There are halfwits in every profession. Security gets the credit for it because security officers are in the public eye and their halfwittedness is viewed by all. For every dork out there there are 10 who do what they are supposed to do, observe and report, be visible, and be a deterrent to crime.

Police forces have their share of mall ninjas as well. Look at the youtube of the Baltimore cop and the skateboarder.
 
according to him, is assaulting the other security officers a misdemeanor, but assaulting him is a FELONY!
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Depending on where you are, it might just be a felony to assault a security officer.

A mall ninja has no authority, nill, zip, nada, zero authority to do anything.
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If by "mall ninja" you mean security officer, you are just as wrong as you were last time I told you that you were wrong about this.

Security is like any other industry. Crap pay garners crappy employees. $7.00 an hour outfits are usually full of worthless employees. My officers start at $17.50 an hour. Guess what kind of officers I have?

If a guy like The Tourist tried to toss one of my officers in "the fountain" while waiting for "the real police" he'd end up with some interesting things to think about while sitting in handcuffs waiting for "the real police" to charge him with a felony.

How many of you guys want to go against CNN's "mall ninja" SWAT team or the reaction team at your local nuclear reactor? They're private security companies just like at your mall.
 
Security is like any other industry. Crap pay garners crappy employees. $7.00 an hour outfits are usually full of worthless employees. My officers start at $17.50 an hour. Guess what kind of officers I have?

If a guy like The Tourist tried to toss one of my officers in "the fountain" while waiting for "the real police" he'd end up with some interesting things to think about while sitting in handcuffs waiting for "the real police" to charge him with a felony.

How many of you guys want to go against CNN's "mall ninja" SWAT team or the reaction team at your local nuclear reactor? They're private security companies just like at your mall.
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I was thinking the same thing. Michael Dell's guys come to mind:) as well.

Of course people who say things like "I would toss them in a fountain" or I broke his arm when he tried to grab me" really smack of mall ninjaititis themselves:neener:
 
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Originally Posted by nj.piney
never make fun of a mall ninja with a bandolier and no gun , ninjas are trained to insert the bullets manually.
Into what?"

Their target I would presume.
 
Blackwater and others are private security companies too. How many of you would try to toss one of them into a fountain(no matter how much you may want to)?

You get what you pay for. Yes the pimply kid or 300lb 40 year old at the mall may be pushovers, but that doesn't mean the whole industry of private security is.

Ever been to Vegas? The casino security is almost all private. Try hassling them sometime.
 
I'm with "ClickClickD'oh!" on this one. Private security is a business with a service to sell, just like any other service industry. Of course, there are many levels of it, ranging from the barely-above-minimum-wage earners to what are sometimes known around here as "Custom Protection Officers". These are the ones that are required to have law enforcement or military backgrounds, and they earn much more. Beyond those, there are other private companies that rival the best Federal agencies in tactics, training, and equipment (I'm surprised no one mentioned Blackwater USA yet.) The nuclear power plant where I live has an extended waiting list of well-qualified candidates waiting to come on as plant safety officers. This is because of the excellent pay and benefits offered. The job requires the use of tactical rifles and other equpiment (especially after 9-11), as well as a working knowledge of firefighting and emergency medical aid. Many of them make more than the local cops do.
Security officers at places like malls are not law enforcement, nor are they supposed to be. They are "rule" enforcement, charged with the responsibility of maintaining a "pleasant" and safe-feeling atmosphere so that our wives and daughters can spend time and money there without fear of offense. When crime does occur, they are to verify the occurrence of such, and notify law enforcement. They can ask suspects for compliance, but are not supposed to put themselves or others in harm's way seeking it.
True, some are buffoons. When I was in LE, I questioned one working at a construction site near where a woman had reported a voyeur to see if he'd seen anything in the area. During questioning, my eyes put together a remarkable similarity between his appearance and the description given by the woman, right down to the criss-cross pattern of dirt on the tip of his nose (dirt from her window screen.) But the diversity in the industry is so wide it's impossible to generalize its members in any way. I showed respect to those encountered when I was in LE, and found most of them, in my area at least, to be professionally disposed and presented.
 
How many of you guys want to go against CNN's "mall ninja" SWAT team or the reaction team at your local nuclear reactor? They're private security companies just like at your mall.
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Gimme a break.

Most of those guys are ex-military. I know a number of guys from our old team that work private security jobs--but you damn sure won't find them working in shopping malls or as school crossing guards or guarding car lots or empty buildings at night.

If a guy like The Tourist tried to toss one of my officers in "the fountain" while waiting for "the real police" he'd end up with some interesting things to think about while sitting in handcuffs waiting for "the real police" to charge him with a felony.
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Yeah, and if one your "officers" pulled the kind of stunt on me that those two mall ninjas did back then, had we not been after the gangsters, YOUR "officers" would've been in deep juju and YOU would've lost your contract.

Cuts both ways.

Sorry, but I've see way more mall ninjas in lower-tier security jobs than I have professionals. It's hard to tell the professionals, though. You never see them. They blend in, go about their jobs and concentrate on the criminals.

As far as Officer Salvatore Rivieri and his insane rant with the skateboarders. . . . that guy would've spent a night in our jail (federal holding center) until his shift supervisor came to bail him out.

ZERO excuse for his behavior. ZERO.

Jeff
 
ClickClickD'oh said:
If a guy like The Tourist tried to toss one of my officers in "the fountain" while waiting for "the real police" he'd end up with some interesting things to think about while sitting in handcuffs waiting for "the real police" to charge him with a felony.
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If you're a mall ninja, you'd better read my post again. My actions are solely conditional.

If Barney Fife gives me the story of his life and tries to dazzle me with his years in combat (in his mind), he will be told to go away unless authorized by a court. That's covered by the Writ of Mandamus he doesn't have.

Now that we have established he's a mouthy pseudo clown in a funny hat, he is warned not to touch me.

I throw that advice as a bone, I really don't have to say anything. You cannot assault anyone no matter what you're wearing.

The felonious assault occurs when he restricts my movements, lies to me about his policing powers and grabs my arm.

At this point, his azz is mine, and I didn't like him to begin with.

Yes, there will be retribution, and then to add insult to injury, I'm going to sue.
 
Yes, there will be retribution, and then to add insult to injury, I'm going to sue.
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And you will win.

My next-door neighbor just got a nice settlement courtesy of TSA because one of the airport ninjas grabbed him on the shoulder and tried to pull some sort of a "restraining maneuver" at DFW airport.

Jeff
 
Speaking of mall ninjas & wannabe war heros........

I really don't see that much difference between the wannabes that I work W/ and some of the internet war heros that post here ( you know the ones who always seem to work a refference to their high speed , low drag operator days into every post).

The guys that I work with tell their stories because they don't have any other way to feel important. In fantasyland they're not overweight losers, who couldn't make it through basic training, they're ex Navy Seals , and retired DEA Agents (sound like any body we know?) or bad-ass bikers.

Substitute the food court for THR and..... ( well I 'll just let you follow that line of thought for your self)
 
TexasSkyhawk said:
Gimme a break.

Most of those guys are ex-military. I know a number of guys from our old team that work private security jobs--but you damn sure won't find them working in shopping malls or as school crossing guards or guarding car lots or empty buildings at night.
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I bet I could find a lot of high level security officers working exactly those jobs. You never know where you will find Level IV licensed officers.

Two months ago I had several of my officers wearing Mall Security uniforms and working alongside (sort of) the normal staff at a mall here in north Texas. It was part of their job, so they did it. Of course, they were focused on other concerns than kids getting stuck in the escalators.
TexasSkyhawk said:
Yeah, and if one your "officers" pulled the kind of stunt on me that those two mall ninjas did back then, had we not been after the gangsters, YOUR "officers" would've been in deep juju and YOU would've lost your contract.
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Well that's pretty obvious. All this does is reaffirm that there are good security officers and bad security officers... just like any other profession.

The Tourist said:
The felonious assault occurs when he restricts my movements, lies to me about his policing powers and grabs my arm.
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Since you don't care to take my word for it, you really may want to ask a lawyer about this before you get into some serious trouble.

Depending on where you are, Security Officers might just have the authority to arrest you.

Also depending on where you are your claim that, "The felonious assault occurs when he restricts my movements, lies to me about his policing powers and grabs my arm" can be false. Here it would be a Class C misd assault plus a Class A misd unlawful restraint, not a felony.. but that's only if the arrest was not lawful, which it may be.. since again, in some places security officers do in fact have the ability to arrest people. In the case of the State of Texas a security officer may arrest for the comission of a Class A misd or any level of felony. Criminal tresspass in some conditions does reach the level of a Class A misd... so yes, it's conceivable that under certain conditions you refusing the requests of a secuirty officer, and nothing else, may get you arrested, by a security officer, (legally) in Texas.

As I said, check the laws or talk to some lawyers, because your assertions are pretty far from nation wide, and could lead to trouble if people here believed you.
 
Ya know, I've actually been looking for a security job... but I would sit on the side of the road before I'd be any type of "Security" that doesn't allow me to carry a weapon. Not to insult anyone here who does that, but, I just couldn't call myself security without a weapon.
 
I deal with mall ninjas the same way I deal with any other human. If I encounter one, I treat them respectfully. Thats just basic adult behavior. If they start throwing BS my way, I remain respectful, because A) They can't get me on anything if I remain calm and respectful; B) it really pisses them off when they try to get a rise out of you and you give them nothing but courtesy. Then I ask for their name, their supervisor's contact info, and then remove myself from the situation/mall/parking lot etc. That type of behavior has gotten me out of arrestable offenses, speeding tickets, and black lists at the local shopping center. Not that I have these encounters a lot, but respect always pays off.
 
ColinthePilot said:
If I encounter one, I treat them respectfully.
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Ultimately, that's what this thread is about. It is also the reason that Don Knotts portrayal of "Barney Fife" was so funny. You don't have to look too hard to find these guys.

The problem with many of them is that they believe swagger is power. Be polite to them, and they bend it in their little fantasy world as "fear of the badge." I think they truly believe they are the Starsky and Hutch on the mean streets of the food court.

And in one of the strangest cases of irony, there is probably more retail theft and passing of drugs right under their noses than they would imagine.
 
the company i worked for paid $9.00/HR ($10 at the most for unarmed sites).we had a few wanna-bes but not to bad.one guy would tell me the best time to sleep so as to avoid being caught by a road supervisor(i was to paranoid to fall asleep,couldn't chance lossing the job),another guy would brag about the walmart flashlight he bought(with holster) and the spiffy new security badge he bought w/leather holder(to keep on him when off-duty)
they did pay $15-$18/Hr for armed guard but that was only during christmas at Toys-R-Us and if FEMA was in town(like when we had some major flooding afew yrs back)though it'd cost you $120.for lic that they don't reimburse..

scary thing is,this same company(paying $9.00/HR) had some of these people guarding propane/natural gas-storage/processing plants.they varied from single tanks holding about 60,000 gallons of N.G. but most of them store well over 100,000+ gallons.(i'm sure that'd make a big hole..)

only reason client hired us was because they had some kids jump the fence and try to steal some tools,cops were called and seeing that they were supposedly prevented from going in (because of their radios).they needed someone cheap to keep unauthorized people out...

thankfully i left that company for a higher paying non-security job..

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still waiting for pic of this guys van..(like the OP mentioned)
PROTECTION OFFICER: FIRST RESPONSE UNIT
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Ya know... I've been thinking about getting a part-time job as security someplace. I've sorta toyed with the idea for awhile. Something to keep me busy, keep me from spending money I don't have, and best of all, a nice little paycheck that I can blow if I want.

Something productive to do after the day job and on the weekends that keeps me out of trouble, eh?

Then threads like this pop up.

I'd feel like the biggest idiot in the world sitting in a booth or cruising around the mall at midnight.

Pfff... I'd probably even feel like an idiot working for Blackwater. :(

I'm off to apply for the drive-thru job at Jack in the Box. You all knock yourselves out.


-T.
 
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