Slowly easing Girlfriend into the reason for CCW

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violent crimes officers are instructed to disregard the call.
Incorrect. You do not ignore a call. Ever. When I worked as a State Trooper in a rural part of the state we had a black out from 0230 to 0600 everyday. The 0600 car was always on call for anything that happened from 0231 on. It might not be the fastest response ever but a Trooper was always available.

Someone mentioned The Cornered Cat, this is a great place for her to start. Education is the cure for all her concerns. If you truly love her you will take the time to educated her.

Dump her now.
That is wonderful advice. Anytime someone we love holds a different view point we should just get rid of them. Heck why not? I mean you could educate her and show her that a firearm is just a tool and that there is nothing to be afraid of, or you could tell her to go make you a sandwich...:rolleyes:
 
Getting the permit without telling her might be fine, but then carrying without her knowledge seems like I would be going against her wishes and deliberately disrespecting her position on the matter, which would lead to an argument that I wouldn't win in a million years.
Be open and honest with her. Good communication is the foundation of any good relationship. Explain to her that you are an adult and that as such you have decided to get your permit, but explain why. If she decides to leave than that is on her and at least you tried to educate her and do the right thing.

My wife does not carry, nor does she want to. That is her decision not mine. She is more than ok with my owning firearms but she is not interested in carrying. I carry all the time everywhere I legally can. I love my wife more than anything in this world and if someone told me to leave her simply because she does not wish to carry I believe I'd laugh right in their face and walk away.
 
Well guys I don't plan on dumping her because we disagree about carrying a gun. I would rather try to work through this issue, and keep the relationship going, rather than end it without trying to work through it. I just wondered what strategies you all used in convincing your significant others, who were against carrying, to see that carrying isn't a bad thing.

Also, I'm not sure about the rules for CCW here in Georgia, as I don't yet have the permit, but I thought that the permit was more to protect myself and family, rather than to protect the community. I know that some states require you or your loved one to be in danger, before drawing your weapon. Of course I could be wrong.
 
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Also if I started nonchalantly leaving articles around my apartment, she would know something was up. I read books alot, so she wouldn't think twice about seeing a book on my table. But I get my news online, or very rarely through tv if I happen to remember that it's on.

Although, I do write quite a lot so I could claim that any articles she found were for research purposes. I don't want it to feel like I am forcing my views down her throat.
 
You are not married to her. It's your life, not hers.

Don't agree with the rest of this poster's ideas, but this stuck out. She's your GF, and it's great that you respect her opinion, but it is /your/ life. And your decision to carry. You don't need her permission (frankly, I don't believe you would need a wife's permission, either, but those are just my beliefs). Go get your CCW.

I wouldn't carry secretly, I would inform her that you have acquired your CCW and you are going to start carrying. Really, this is for your protection. Would you not wear your seatbelt because she doesn't approve of it?

Just my 2 cents, of course.
 
rather that a free pass to go vigilante and protect the community.
That has nothing to do with why I carry. I used to be a State Trooper, but no more so I leave law enforcement to those best able to deal with it. That is not to say that if I saw someone in life threatening danger that I would not step in, but I carry for my own protection. Not the protection of the world around me. I can not stand people who think they are "Sheep Dogs". I can take care of myself just fine thank you.

Also brush up on the GA laws on concealed carry. At the end of the day you are an adult and no one else can decide for you. Take what you hear on here, myself included, with a grain of salt.
 
Gus I realize that it is in no way a free pass to become a vigilante, I worded my response poorly, and that said response was directed towards the "protecting your community" portion of a previous post. It is not my job to protect my community, I am not now or ever will I be a cop or soldier (due to my pacemaker).

The only people i have a legal duty to protect with a permit would be myself and my family, from my understanding of the CCW permit.
 
You need to think long term, man. Do you want to marry a woman who is going to tell you what to do like this? You need to nip this in the butt now, tell her you're getting your permit, get your permit, and carry. Either she gets over it, or you dump her.

My wife knew I was into guns and carried since day 1. I think she'd be shocked if I went somewhere without carrying.
 
"Dump her now."

I would say that now it's his life and not yours 230. Advice is great but that seems a little harsh. Pacer, as long as she is not completely against you owning guns I would say you have room to work with. Maybe give it some time, but if she is the gal for you she will support you should you decide to get a license before she is exactly "OK" with it. It is your job to protect yourself and as long as you are with her, you should feel obligated to keep her safe. (I'm sure you do)

Just bring it up every now and then, and try to make her more comfortable around guns. She will come around.
 
Don't think skating around the subject is a good idea.
Best to get it out in the open now and decide together how this will impact your relationship.
It takes two to Tango.

I Did twotours in the bush in VN. Caied every day and had to fire a few times.

I have lived in a "no carry" state since 1970.

I have travelled many low roads and spent time in Atlanta.

One learns that trouble is always out there, easy to find if you look for it.
Also fairly easy to avoid in most cases if you keep your wits about you.

I would possibly carry if legal,but meanwhile don't feel nekkid unstrapped.

You and your gal need some honest communication time on this.
 
You're right jad, at least she is not anti-gun. She realizes the need for it at one's home, or in one's car to protect us.

However, she just doesn't think that we could ever need a gun when we are just wandering around the mall or store because we will be minding our own business. :eek:
Tell her you generally don't expect to get into a car accident either, but that doesn't mean you're going to drop the insurance and remove the airbags... :)
 
The high incidence of road rage in metro Atlanta should be reason enough to convince her of having a gun handy while out. From there you can gradually turn her around concerning concealed carry, then proceed to open carry as necessary.
 
Well I didn't have convince my wife of why I needed to do it.
I just did it. And she is cool with it.
Great wife, I most say.
And for you.
You are not married, why would you have to convince her of what you have a God given right to do.
 
It'd be interesting to point out to her the ratio of on-duty LEO's to the population of your city/county - I don't know what the numbers are for you, but where I am (San Jose, CA) there are typically between 90 and 120 patrol officers responding to calls for a city of a million people.

Our local PD classes calls into one of four categories, from 1 (present or imminent danger to life; major damage to or loss of property), 2 (injuries or suspected injuries; suspect still present) to 4 (non-violent crime with no apparent danger to life/property).

The most recent data I can find is from July 2004 through September 2006. (The staffing levels of our local PD have declined since then.)

The average response time to a priority 1 call was 7.23 minutes; the average response time to a priority 2 call was 12.73 minutes. Our PD defines "response time" as the elapsed time from the call-taker's first keystroke into the dispatch system until the arrival of the first officer on the scene.

A lot of things can happen in 7.23 minutes - and that's the average, so half of the time, it took longer than that for the first officer to show up.

(And half of the time, it took less time. I'm not saying this to bash the PD, but to consider what the average or worst-case scenario might look like from a citizen's point of view.)

Law enforcement has (generally speaking) no legal duty to protect you. How could they, if there are 100 patrol officers on duty and 1,000,000 citizens?

Practically speaking, it may take 10-15 minutes before you get a response to a call to 911, even if the event you're reporting is very serious. (In fact, if it sounds too horrible, the first person on scene will probably wait for backup, not go charging in like the Lone Ranger.)

The bottom line is that you're on your own - potentially for as long as 15 minutes, maybe even worse. If something awful happens, you must respond to it with whatever you've got with you or on you at that moment - e.g., what's in your pockets or your purse or your backpack/briefcase - and whatever you can find or improvise from your surroundings.

If the problem you're faced with is an attack or a threat from a violent person, it'd be much better to have a good weapon (like a firearm) available to you. Yes, a LEO will be along, eventually, and they will be armed - but it may take so long that by the time they arrive, whatever bad thing the attacker had in mind for you has already occurred, whether that's robbery or rape or murder.

This will never be very different, because it's very expensive to keep people trained and equipped and paid to act as LEO's, so we're never going to have a great LEO:citizen ratio, especially if we don't want to see our tax rates go through the roof.
 
God given right

Yes I do have a God given right to protect myself and family.
By using a sword, spear or a pointed stick.
Man's laws dictate if I can carry a gun or not.
And I can. So I do.:neener:
 
"Hon, I would love it very much if you would come with me to concealed carry class. It terrifies me the thought of you being alone sometime and you were to be attacked by some thug without a way to defend yourself. I hope that day never comes where either of us would have to defend our lives, but would feel so much better if you'd at least come to a class with me to find out more."
 
At least in Washington, there's extra value in having a CPL as it's named here. For one, I can buy a pistol and once the proceed is given and I pay for it, I can take the gun home. Without a CPL I believe there's a 5 day wait (may be 3). It's also allowed me to join certain organizations without having to pay $50 or so for a required criminal background check, nor submit to such a check (not that I care about the last part).

Anyway, the extra benefits of the CPL are nice at guns shows, something we both enjoy attending, when she see's some hot Glock she's gotta have, now.

So try pointing out to her there's more to a CPL than just being able to legally carry, then once the camel's nose is under the tent, heh...
 
pacer has consistently used the word "girlfriend". The word "love" has not been used as far as I can see.

I stand by my harsh words. If this woman has this attitude now pacer is already fighting an uphill battle. He may get lucky and get her to agree with his point of view. He may hit the jackpot and get her to carry. It has been my experience (with friends etc) that the first case is rare if she starts out anticarry.

It WILL cause martial strife down the road. I have experienced it, as well as seen it in other couples. The very best pacer may be able to do is make a deal with her regarding guns in the house. A coworker of mine is so neutered that he will not even own a gun because of his wife (I provide guns for him to shoot during our range trips).
 
Sorry it took me a couple of days to respond, I was working straight through the weekend from Thursday to Sunday, and didn't have a lot of free time to get on THR.

I think that I am going to just tell her that once my tax refund comes in, I am going to go to the courthouse and apply for my CCW permit. I will take your advice and explain to her that it is not only for my protection but more importantly for her protection, as I would not be able to live with myself if something happened to her and I was forced to just stand by and watch.

I just need a way to say all of this in a very sweet way lol :D. And I will probably wait to tell her until I see her again this week in person, I'm not sure a phone is the best medium for this conversation.
 
My wife is not a shooter or hunter. She was raised in a very liberal, Bay Area (San Francisco) family. The only problem with my gun hobbies has to do with expense, she is very frugal. She has no other problem with my shooting past times.

Before meeting her, any gun issues were a deal breaker with me. That is just me. If any woman had any problem with shooting, hunting, guns, etc, etc...then the relationship was ended.

If I don't want any politician lecturing me on my gun rights, I sure in the heck ain't going to take it from a woman.
 
Girlfriend: Why do you carry a gun wherever you go?
You: Because a cop doesn't fit well in my pocket and I couldn't afford to feed him.
 
By the way carrying a gun is not a god given right or youd be going to heaven for a permit . Thats blaspheme religion and guns dont mix .

Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison and the other founders would disagree with your assertions.
 
This might seem a bit far fetched but... my experience was that the problem tends to run deeper than just 'shooting.' When someone is against you owning a gun, normally their friends and family are too... Their friends end up telling them how 'wrong' you are all the time and it festers.

I would suggest pointing out it is important to you and getting her into some sort like interest. I could be archery or black powder or even darts. Anything that can show the challenge of hitting a target.
 
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