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I hope they put a little attention to how stupid gun laws are, kinda like the NFA guy who wanted a SBS for "this weekend". I'd like to see someone ask about having a stock put on his pistol and how he'd need NFA paperwork on it forever, even if the stock is removed.
 
They did tell the guy who looked at a SBR with silencer the paperwork would take four months. But really, a show about a Title II manufacturer/Class III dealer really ought take a couple of minutes to educate the non-gun audience about the NFA paperwork.
 
Um... "Breaching Round" in chamber and shot in the rest of the magazine? Or am I missing something?
 
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Um... "Breaching Round" in chamber and shot in the rest of the magazine? Or am I missing something?
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When you come up to a door, you don't know whether you'll need to breach the bolt, the hinges, or maybe not at all. So you keep it loaded with breaching rounds.

But the real issue here (as I stated earlier in this thread) is that the one breaching should never be the first in the door. SOP either leaves him outside, or he is last in (at least in the Army, for precision clearing - which should be the same as LEO tactics).

"Masterkey" is useless if you're following SOP.
 
I thought it was funny when they set the grassy field on fire shooting tracers out of that Ma Deuce 50 cal and had to call in the fire truck. What a hoot!
 
Ah come on guys! The show was a lot better than I thought it was gonna be! I thought it was pretty entertaining and I will definitely be watching in the future :) I really like the banter between the daughter and dad haha!
 
Never see any overweight swat members in my part of town! I also think the daughter is annoying, hah. It's a tv program with guns so I'll watch it, but wont make a note of it.
 
Yes saxon, they don't know how many breaching rounds it will take to get through the door. If they hope it only takes one round and load the rest 00 buck, when that single breaching round doesn't take out the door the team no longer has as explosive and startling entry as they need.
 
In case anyone has missed it, Red Jacket is a Saiga specialist. Like Krebs and Tromix. That's their thing, so that's why we see so many Saigas. I've had them work on some Saigas and they do great work.

On Comcast there is a short free on-demand tour of the facility. Nothing really special is shown but it is interesting to see more of the facility. And they mention one of the film crew got interested in guns while filming the show and he had them build him a custom AK. I wonder how many people are coming over to our side just because of this show? That alone makes it worthwhile supporting the show by watching!
 
I wonder how many people are coming over to our side just because of this show? That alone makes it worthwhile supporting the show by watching!
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Good point. Fence-sitters might watch some episodes and think "wow, civilians can really own those???!!! Cool! I'm going to look into that!"
 
Last night had some VERY good episodes. Although I bet the machine shop that made the swivel for the cannon probably wasn't too happy getting a little bit of bad word of mouth.

What he did with the AK47 was quite interesting, now he only needs to make a product line for the SKS, basically the same thing.
 
I enjoyed last nights show as well. Am actually looking at cans now myself. I also am thinking about going back down the AK road. I don't have the money for one of his internally supressed Aks but boy do I want one.

BTW didn't think that they badmouthed the machine shop, just commented that the what they turned out wasn't exactly what he wanted.
 
I kinda like it, but some parts seem a little stagedto add drama, like when they're pressure testing the tanks on the flame thrower, and everybody's standing like three feet away. Seriously? That said, I'd cut off a toe or two for the chance to work there.
 
I wasn't all that impressed with the Katana - a sub 6 lb AR is a great idea, granted, but it isn't exactly new. Not to mention, at that price point ($1800 per rifle), I could probably build my own.

The internally suppressed AK, on the other hand, was every bit as cool as they made it out to be. I want!

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Last nights shows made me giggle as did the previous ones. An AR without any accessories and very plain jane for $1850? I can build a light weight, reliable, accurate AR that would meet those specs for $800 tops. And I don't get dealer pricing! It was not a new concept at all...just order the parts and put them together. And the boss wanted them test fired...3 whole rounds each....you got to be kidding.

The integrally suppressed AK...was not at all impressed by their concept nor by 126 db. What they made did work but there are better ways to do it as well. And keeping the baffles inline with the bore....they made it out to be ultra difficult when it is not that hard...called a bore rod or if you want to be high tech a laser...tho a bore rod would be easier I think. As for penetrating the trama plate...well if the plate wasn't rated for the round of course it will penetrate it.

Then you had the couple that came in looking for a handgun and he whips out a suppressed 9mm then basically told them they weren't "qualified" to own a gun. I owned a brick and mortar shop for 20 years...while I might not have sold that couple a gun that day I would have discussed options with them and they would have left with Ayoob's Handgun Primer gratis. I gave those away not only to every purchaser but those who were thinking about buying a handgun for the first time.


This show gets funnier with every episode.
 
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Then you had the couple that came in looking for a handgun and he whips out a suppressed 9mm then basically told them they weren't "qualified" to own a gun. I owned a brick and mortar shop for 20 years...while I might not have sold that couple a gun that day I would have discussed options with them and they would have left with Ayoob's Handgun Primer gratis. I gave those away not only to every purchaser but those who were thinking about buying a handgun for the first time.
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I was a little put off by that. I think it is good to show that people with no firearm experience shouldn't just go out buy a firearm without some training first, but he basically insulted them. The remark about shooting off his toe was a little much. A good salesman who was also concerned about the safety of his customers wouldn't give them the old "you'll shoot your eye out kid" reaction. He would tell them that he would be more comfortable selling to them once they had some experience with firearms. Give them an idea of where they can go. Obviously, all of this information could have been given and edited out.
 
I thought 126db was pretty good, unless I am mistaken the average 7.62x39 is about 160-170db, meaning around a 40db drop. Average conversation is between 60-80dbs, so that would be making a pretty good diff. I don't think a lot of things on TV are revolutionary, but I can't find where anyone else is doing what they did with that suppressed AK, so it looks pretty cool to me.
 
They do need to explain some of the nuances of NFA, lest the general public think that 'anyone' can manufacture an NFA weapon.

Other than that it's been pretty entertaining.

I was a tad put off at turning customers away, but I also don't get the idea that Red Jacket is a typical retail gunshop. You don't go there to buy a new hunting rifle or other 'out of the box' firearm. (With the noted exception of selling a friend a $300 Walther 22.)
 
Maybe I have just been around too many very inventive gunmakers for the guys at Red jacket to impress me. With my suppressed 308 the loudest noise is the firing pin falling and my 300 Whisper with loads ballistically the same as the 7.62X39 comes in well under 120db at the muzzle, not standing well behind it. I know folks that would say taking a SKS and turning it into a 45 ACP carbine using Glock mags would be nearly impossible but a friend of mine did it in under a week...runs perfectly.

I think it is their attitude that they can do the impossible when it isn't that hard that makes me laugh. That and when they re-invent the wheel and make it out to be a major accomplishment.
 
With my suppressed 308 the loudest noise is the firing pin falling
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What type of suppressor do you use? That's about what my .22lr with a can is like but I'd love to get a 308 that quiet. I assume that's gotta be subsonic handloads?
 
Then you had the couple that came in looking for a handgun and he whips out a suppressed 9mm then basically told them they weren't "qualified" to own a gun.
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Yeah, that sure rubbed me the wrong way.

But, as pointed out earlier in this thread, the whole show is edited, chopped, messed with and edited some more. Basically, we have no idea of what really happened in any scene.

We only know what the producer left in, to make his show his way in a small number of minutes. That couple could have received some very good advice about lessons, shooting school, CCW classes etc and then a polite invitation to return later, or go see Billy-Bob's Bait Shop and Gun Emporium just down the highway. All we see is them going out the door.

I like the show, notice mistakes, and will watch them all.

Bart Noir
 
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