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I definitely think that scene was heavily edited. I think they usually offer them a suppressed Walther P22 like he showed them for training.

I thought that was a very interesting, and very sad scene. The girlfriend/wife dragged the guy into a gun shop to get a firearm to protect their house, and the guy looked scared to death. Also quite sad to hear that the guy had never used a firearm before and left the shop empty handed.

I find the show quite good so far. Sure I would love to see more of the gunsmithing aspects, but for the sake of entertainment (and protecting their shop secrets) things have to be edited out.

I'm just glad there is a show on mainstream TV about a custom gunshop. This portrays firearms as complex machines like lawnmowers, not some magical killing devices made by demons at S&W/Colt etc..
 
I challenge them to make a modern day version of a Liberator pistol and another firing a rifle cartridge.

The goal is to have a design almost anyone can use and with common off the shelf plumbing or hardware parts.

A design that will allow all Americans to use should their become a mandatory gun confiscation.
 
I was a tad put off at turning customers away, but I also don't get the idea that Red Jacket is a typical retail gunshop. You don't go there to buy a new hunting rifle or other 'out of the box' firearm.
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They're appointment-only. Most of their business is custom Saiga shotguns, AK's, and suppressors.
 
With my suppressed 308 the loudest noise is the firing pin falling and my 300 Whisper with loads ballistically the same as the 7.62X39 comes in well under 120db at the muzzle, not standing well behind it.
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What kind of loads are you shooting in that .308, and what type of ballistics are you getting?

I have seen several suppressed guns over the years and have NEVER seen anything bigger than a .22 short (outside of the movies) that quiet.
 
What kind of loads are you shooting in that .308, and what type of ballistics are you getting?

I have seen several suppressed guns over the years and have NEVER seen anything bigger than a .22 short (outside of the movies) that quiet.
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I'll second that. The only suppressed .308 I've seen definitely made it hard to tell where the shot was coming from, but it wasn't exactly whisper-quiet.
 
I thought 126db was pretty good, unless I am mistaken the average 7.62x39 is about 160-170db, meaning around a 40db drop. Average conversation is between 60-80dbs, so that would be making a pretty good diff.

But remember it's a log scale, so you're understating it a bit for hearing damage. 3 db is a doubling of sound intensity (although not experienced as such, due to physiology). So 40 dB is an absolutely massive drop. OSHA doesn't allow more than 90 dB of constant sound exposure during a work day day. They'll let you go to 115 dB, without protection, for 15 minutes per day.
 
I wasn't all that impressed with the Katana - a sub 6 lb AR is a great idea, granted, but it isn't exactly new. Not to mention, at that price point ($1800 per rifle), I could probably build my own.
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Pencil barrel + carbon free float tube + iron sights = $1800 LOL

I'd build as many of those as possible.
 
or go see Billy-Bob's Bait Shop and Gun Emporium just down the highway. All we see is them going out the door.
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Nah Bart, iirc the closest gun store just down the highway from them is "Jim's Firearms" Billy-Bob's is a good 2 hour drive.
 
I can't watch it anymore. The "Acting" is just so awful. Everyone is so tight and can't just relax.

the "Swat" guy was a cliche cuban with a cigar in his mouth acting as if it were a drug deal. The AK guy was just plain akward!... the daughter is annoying!!!!!! all of their "Custom" stuff is really really basic and none of it has been impressive in the slightest bit.

Insulting the couple was pretty pathetic as well, how about you be a POSITIVE experience for them and take a couple minutes to instruct them on how this is a very serious tool and training should be looked into. If we turned away everyone who wanted to buy a gun but had never shot one before, it would be a very very sad market.

its just so scripted and poorly executed as well. Im 100% done with it.

now Top Shot... thats a lot better this season and im enjoying it so far.

JOe
 
The suppressed AK-47 took the sound from 160 decibels to 126 Decibels. That a big drop but you still need hearing protection or you're going to go deaf. 126 Db is a noise that repeated fire will cause you injury. Most people who would own the deal would take more than 1 round to the range to fire.
 
I can't stand the show for all the reasons previously mentioned.

But as a side note, are there any bikers that were bikers before the whole OCC & Jesse James show blew up? How did that quick and monumental increase in popularity change your hobby, good, bad, more expensive, positive, negative, etc. I would love to hear any stories. It seemed like there were only a few bikes on the road on a given day before those shows came out then before you know it every over 40 male in a mid-life crisis owned a bike. Was the net effect positive or negative for the hobby?
 
Paul SR. is an IDIOT!
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I only wish my father had started a business that made me:
1. Wealthy.
2. A celebrity.
3. Able to buy near anything I wanted.
4. Gave me a shot in life that I could screw around and do my "art" (draw pictures that MY 5 year old grandchild thinks is art).

Paul Sr. worked his tail off for years to earn the money out of a ironworks shop to finance building choppers in his basement. He parlayed those builds into OCC. I'll give you the fact Paul Jr. can dream up cool stuff, but 2 whiney kids who expect their dad to bend over backwards to please them is the ultimate in disrespect.

My dad told me quite clearly when I was a senior in high school that "this farm isn't big enough to keep all of us." I didn't expect him to carry my lazy butt after I graduated from high school anyway. My "college program" was the GI bill. My dad would have given those 2 jerks a firm lesson in shut the hell up!

Is Paul Sr. a candidate for father of the year? Probably not. But compared to the fathers a lot of people have, he's a saint. Maybe your dad treated you with the ultimate respect all your life, if so, count your blessings. Myself, I give Paul Sr. a lot of respect for building his business to the point he and his family are, quite likely, world famous for producing custom motorcycles.

I recall a father who wasn't quite the example of "Ward Cleaver" most would envision, who worked his tail off to become a NASCAR superstar, and made his kids rich. Before February 2001, he would be criticized at times by some in his family, yet after he was killed in a race, he became in their opinion a great guy. It's tough to tell your dad how much you thought of him after he's gone. My dad wasn't an easy man to live with most of the time, but he had my ultimate respect every day of his life, and I wish he were still here to talk to. Paul Sr.'s 2 little babies might reconsider disrespecting the man while he's still here to mend the rift. Because when he's gone, it's too late.
 
I absolutely love this show, and all of the other gun shows. I find the people entertaining and the subject matter fun... and the best thing of all is this:

But as a side note, are there any bikers that were bikers before the whole OCC & Jesse James show blew up? How did that quick and monumental increase in popularity change your hobby, good, bad, more expensive, positive, negative, etc.
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I can think of at least 5 people who have spent $20K+ on motorcycles as a result of the custom bike building craze. Sure, some are bone heads but it has created more awareness of motorcycles.
 
The suppressed AK-47 took the sound from 160 decibels to 126 Decibels. That a big drop but you still need hearing protection or you're going to go deaf. 126 Db is a noise that repeated fire will cause you injury. Most people who would own the deal would take more than 1 round to the range to fire.
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You have to remember that their sound level "testing" is far from accurate. They should be using a calibrated impulse sound level meter. Instead they've got a handheld vocal mic (the type you sing into) hooked up to a computer. The computer is useful for looking at the acoustic spectral content, but for sound level testing their setup is not even close to accurate, and they just have someone hold the mic nearby while the test. For accuracy the testing would always have to be done in a similar acoustic environment with the proper equipment, and the microphone at a specified and measured distance (usually one meter).

Using their setup what is relatively accurate, assuming the mic is in about the same position each time and the environment is the same, is the relative drop in sound level, or dB of sound suppression. 160+ down to 126 is very significant. And you have to remember that these are impulse sounds, not continuous sound like a jet engine or a rock concert (or a rock concert that sounds like a jet engine). The spectral content of the impulse is very important, and the numbers alone don't tell the whole story of what sounds "quieter" or reduces the ability to localize the sound source (being able to tell where the shot came from). Ideally, an impulse sound level meter and a spectrum analyzer should be used to document the change in sound level and spectrum that is accomplished by using a suppressor.

There is a military standard (of course) for the proper measurement of impulse sounds: MIL-STD-1474-D Even that tends to oversimplify the topic if applied to firearm suppression.

Ok, I'm sure I did a good job of putting most of you to sleep. Anyway, if a firearm is quieter using a device then that device is a suppressor. How well it works can be expressed subjectively. To measure it objectively is a lot more difficult.
 
I've seen MUCH worse gun shows on TV. I was watching some Outdoor Channel (I think) program where some ex-Special Forces guys were pontificating on assault rifles. They were so dull my teenage son said "these guys make machine guns boring!". And the production values of the first season of "American Rifleman" looked like they hired some high school slackers to make it.

I wouldn't hire these guys to work on anything but an AK-something, but the daughter isn't that annoying. It's about a 6.5 out of 10.
 
That is indeed neat! now if only it were still semi
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What makes you think it isn't semi-auto...works perfectly although it is straight blowback now.

Or were you speaking of my Ruger...that is why I have this...

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Well...here is my take.

I am sure the owner is a nice guy.

I am sure his daughter should close her mouth...she is annoying and acts like she is her Dad's bitchy girlfriend. ?!?!

I am sure that the term "gunsmith" under employees names gets used too much. None of them are.

I have never seen things done in real gunsmith shops like what they show on this show. Dremel tools? Air tools with Scotchbrite cookies? An automotive DA sander used on guns? Okay?!? Pneumatic die grinders with big ass cut off wheels? Hmmm. Alright, what ever. Using an angle grinder on a cannon yoke along with a cutting torch in the SAME room as you are working on guns? Okay...you WANT all that metallic / abrasive particulate in EVERYTHING you are working on? Okay.

There are a lot of things about what they show on TV in his shop that indicate that his employees have NO clue about machine work. Milling machines are NOT supposed to make the noises his does. Squealing endmills...are unacceptable. Chucking endmills in a Jacobs chuck and side milling... This kind of thing is hack work and gives people a poor impression of what true working gunsmiths are.

My wife and I both looked at each other in amazement when the crew had a shooting competition to see who got to go watch the flame thrower. I was just laughing at the fact that NONE of them can shoot. What the hell? His indoor test range is SHORT.... From that range....it should have been a ragged hole tearing out the x ring. They covered the paper. The gunsmiths I know.....CAN shoot....and do a LOT. I assure you....IF I have a day where I produce a target that looks like that...I will quit. How can you test fire a gun for accuracy if YOU can't shoot?

I wouldn't let any of his tattooed, pierced, hairy employees touch any of my machines or tools in my shop.

It is a gun version of American Chopper.....and only serves to make people think that is a gunsmithing shop. I assure you....it isn't and they aren't gunsmiths. None of what they have showed so far is impressive from a gunsmithing standpoint. It is 90% show drama...aimed at the uneducated masses who know nothing about guns.

Cheers
Mac.
 
Yawn... more THR users spouting how much better they are than the ones who have figured out how to be successful doing something they love. Getting old.
 
That SKS looks very "Planet of the Apes". Very cool.

I suspect a lot of that 'shower of sparks' stuff is for the camera.

Daddy's little girl did pretty well with a bow and arrow, I don't think I could nail a fish from a boat.
 
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