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If my dogs don't lick the BG to death.....I have an AR with 75 gr TAP rounds ready
Whats your home defense weapon?
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RancidSumo
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If you are too worried about penetration to use a 5.56, you should definitely rethink your shotgun choice. 12ga buck will go through walls just as well as a 5.56 and so will most pistol rounds. With the right load, you are in no more danger of shooting through walls and hitting an innocent person with a 5.56 than you are with a .45 or 12ga.
The problem is not so much overpenetration in your own house...that is a danger you have to take for granted, no matter the firearm....however a 00 buck pellet will lose lot of its energy within 50 yards down the road...a 223 bullet will not...
On top of that, my AR is an expensive firearm which I would hate to lose if I find myself in a home defence situation....my Mossberg 500 instead is a ultra reliable cheap shotgun....
Bartholomew Roberts
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As to the OP's original question, my home defense weapon is going to be the best weapon I can get my hands on quick enough for it to be effective. Depending on the circumstance, that may mean a frying pan, wooden pin from the bed, a pistol, an AR15, or shotgun.
It depends on your situation. For example, if you live in a brick siding house, the .223 (with the right ammo) is either not going to exit the exterior of the house or it is going to exit it in tiny fragments that will lose their energy very quickly.
If you live in a house with many floor-to-ceiling windows or a single layer of wood siding as the external barrier (i.e. some apartments around here), then there is a decent chance that .223 could exit the house intact - and if so, it has the potential to travel much further than 00 buckshot, assuming it doesn't yaw after exit and remains relatively intact and stable.
It depends on your situation. For example, if you live in a brick siding house, the .223 (with the right ammo) is either not going to exit the exterior of the house or it is going to exit it in tiny fragments that will lose their energy very quickly.
If you live in a house with many floor-to-ceiling windows or a single layer of wood siding as the external barrier (i.e. some apartments around here), then there is a decent chance that .223 could exit the house intact - and if so, it has the potential to travel much further than 00 buckshot, assuming it doesn't yaw after exit and remains relatively intact and stable.
Quentin
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This'll do...
Zerodefect
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00 is not going to lose much energy at only 50 yards. But you are correct, 5.56 has much greater range, but only if it hasn't hit something first.
If 5.56 is too much power, than why would you want an even more powerful shotgun? 5.56 is going to lose alot of it's energy in the bad guy or walls of your house.
Another thing, it's really easy to miss with a shotgun. Unless you have a nicely choked barrel. You may want to check your patterns with life sized targets at 25 yards. Alot of people can't keep all of 00 on a man sized target at 30yards with stock defensive shotguns.
Hence the need for a "slug change-over" technique.
If your really worried, get a 5.7x28mm FN PS90. That weapon was purpose built to reduce overpen in urban enviroments.
And any weapon that saves your life has paid for itsself. Don't choose a cheapo shotgun so you can save money when the cops take it after a shoot. (they give it back if it's a good shoot, assuming you're in a free state) Choose the best weapon you can, keep the lesser weapns handy if your primary gets confiscated after a good shoot.
I am not wealthy enough to own a home with any open dimension nearing 25 yards. 10 yards would be about as long as it gets for me. I'd say realistically we're talking 5-7 yards max.
A large 20x20 room is less than 10 yards from corner to opposite corner with your back on the wall. At that distance, the pattern of my shotgun with #00 buck is 8-10" max.
A large 20x20 room is less than 10 yards from corner to opposite corner with your back on the wall. At that distance, the pattern of my shotgun with #00 buck is 8-10" max.
My AR, or my 1911, or my 590. See my sig line...
DM~
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S&W M-19 and my "go to gun",
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OpelBlitz
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LibShooter said:
Nice, exactly what I use - M1 Carbine w/soft points and a SxS 12ga. Only difference is I also have an M&P45 with a single 14rd extended mag available. I actually removed the bayonet from the M1 Carbine.
henschman
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An AK-47 with hollow points is what I use.
Actually a spheric lead ball with such horrible BC like a pellet it does lose a lot of energy 50 yards down the road.
A 00 shotgun shell develops much more energy than a 5.56 round but spread over 9 pellets...On top of that I use unplated shot which should deform easily once hitting solid surface further reducing the chances of overpenetration....basically a 00 buckshot load gives you the opportunity to unload into an individual the energy level of a full power battle round without the risk of hitting someone half mile away...
And my Mossy 500 gives me the flexibility to use the semi-magnum loads if i want (12 pellets) or the fearsome 3" (15 and some even 18 pellets).
I tried with my open 18.5" barrel (I also own a 26" and a 28" barrel both with adjustable choke) and I can put most of the pellets into a man sized target at 25 yards....and if you plan to hit someone already at that distance, you are most likely in trouble with the authorities explaining the shot you took....
The weapons that I use for home defense duty are yes inexpensive but extremely reliable (otherwise I would not put them in such role)....I trust my life to my Mossberg 500 as many LEO around the country do....
Finally, I find a short barreled shotgun more handy inside a house than my full barrel length AR-15, anyway.....
Because of my job and social life, all I can reasonably expect as threat is the occasional home invasion, not a hit team with high tech weaponry....most likely the classic "clack clack" of the shotgun cocking will be sufficient to stop the assailants in their tracks...if not because they are high on drugs, I'm pretty sure that a hailstorm of 00 pellets will make them istantly sober and clean....
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Few years ago in Seattle, a man got in trouble (charged with manslaughter) because he dared to shoot the guy that was trying to steal his car in front of its apartment....he fired with a Mosin M44....he said that he was shooting "just to harm the guy" (which was holding in its hands the big subwoofer he did jut rip from the man's car)...the results was that the round almost took the robber's head....you do not just "harm" somebody with a Mosin...you demolish him!!!
On top of that, the newspapers at thet time did talk about "excessive firearm power" and "military rifle" used in the incident.
Maybe they were 10-15 yards away....shooting someone at 25 yards get you a nice charge for first degree murder.....
7.62x54r is no "sissy" round. The way I see it, if it works for a SVD, then it can't be all that bad.Few years ago in Seattle, a man got in trouble (charged with manslaughter) because he dared to shoot the guy that was trying to steal his car in front of its apartment....he fired with a Mosin M44....he said that he was shooting "just to harm the guy" (which was holding in its hands the big subwoofer he did jut rip from the man's car)...the results was that the round almost took the robber's head....you do not just "harm" somebody with a Mosin...you demolish him!!!
On top of that, the newspapers at thet time did talk about "excessive firearm power" and "military rifle" used in the incident.
Maybe they were 10-15 yards away....shooting someone at 25 yards get you a nice charge for first degree murder.....
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