Will 1911s fade away with the previous generation

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I still don't understand the "1911" thing. They are the king of feedway stoppages, low capacity, and you need to manipulate 2 devices to make them go bang (safety and trigger).

The Germans love H&Ks, the Swiss love SiGs, the Austrians adopted the Glock - and we have the 1911. Hmmmm, go figure.

Question is, will the younger shooters still favor the 1911 over more modern designs once the current/previous generation of shooters pass on to the great range in the sky?
 
The 1911 trigger was added at the military's insistence. Browning designed the 1911 to be carried with no manual safety. The grip safety is all that is needed, and all that I use.

My daughter will probably shoot what I have taught her to shoot. I seriously doubt the 1911 is going anywhere, here nearly 1 century later.
 
No. We have been through 4 generations of 1911 shooters, nearly 5, and yet the 1911 remains.

The "modern designs" you refer to all seem to be DA, Glock action, or have crappy single action triggers with overly long and squishy trigger pulls. Maybe when there comes a good modern design with a single action trigger to match that of the 1911, then maybe the new design will be accepted.

I do like the concept of "modern design." What is it that makes these other designs so modern? The double action Sign isn't particularly modern. Besides, what does the age of the design have to do with anything?

and you need to manipulate 2 devices to make them go bang (safety and trigger).
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Actually, you have to manipulate two on a Glock, but both are on the trigger. On the 1911, it is 3, the trigger, thumb safety, and grip safety.

Being a 1911 shooter, I don't understand why trigger pull needs to be longer than 1/8". Gotta love those Sig 3/8-4/8" Sig trigger pulls {NOT}.
 
The 1911 isn't so much a pistol as it is an American icon, kind of like the Ford (or NAA) Mustang, Single Action Army and M1 Garand. The easily recognisible design is timeless, and will always speak to some people. Most of the quirks in the original have been corrected via various modifications, but some of the design features have yet to be surmounted in other designs, namely the trigger and control arrangement. They will be around in one way shape and form for a long time yet.
 
I thought this has already been through.
All the misconceptions on the Government Model makes me think there is a lot of "That is what I heard so I believe it" going around.
Lumping all Government Models is to "1911" is also not a good idea. That is like saying Glock and meaning every plastic pistol.
Just for the record a correctly built Government Model is not failure prone. Low capacity? Think shotgun. The Government Model is still in service and I feel sure the polymer craze will pass before the Government Model does, almost a 100 years and more popular than ever.
 
why do you all keep insisting the 1911 is outdated?! its not going anywere. they have a much better feel than any plastic gun iv ever used. if you need more than 7 shots, you either should run or learn to shoot.

i think its an inferiority complex on the part or plastic pistol owners.
 
First of all, you don't have to "manipulate" the grip safety. It's deactivated by way of a proper grip on the pistol. And you have to "manipulate" the trigger of ANY gun you use, so I don't understand that part of your post. If you meant the thumb safety, you can also just leave it off safe, like any number of pistols.

As far as stoppages - that's true of any gun. Show me stats that prove the 1911 is the "king" of any type of malfunction compared to other guns in the same calibers, and I'll concede your point. Until then, that statement will have to remain dubious.

I'm a new(ish) shooter. I'm also one of the younger generation (I'm 26) and I LOVE my 1911. I also love my P22, and Walther MK III, and SKS. The 1911 is a classic firearm, with a beautiful and functional design, and THAT'S why it's stuck around for so long. Sure, there are other guns that have bigger mags, or better, slicker designs, or whatever - but so what? Why does the 1911 becoming obsolete hold so much importance for some people?
 
I will not tolerate a pistol that has failures. Thats why I have many 1911's:D:D I love em, and cant seem to get enough:eek: I think after all these years, the 1911 is here to stay:)

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I'm 23 and the only autos I'm interested in are 1911s. I've got a first year SW1911 with about 10,000 rounds through it and a SA Mil-Spec I got earlier this year with maybe 1000 rounds through it. I got a Beretta 92 and now it just sits there.

If you would like to argue that the 1911 is the King of Feedway Stoppages, I would suggest the Glock is the Lord of KaBooms.
 
Even if all the companies that currently make the 1911 design stopped making them today they would still be used and highly sought after by generations of shooters to come.
The may not have all of the features some of the new wonder guns have but for many they are "just right" as is or with slight modifications.
Years ago many felt the old Colt single actions were going to dissapear except for a few oddball shooters and the collectors who had them or used them.
Look at how many Colts and clones or copies have been built since the 1950s a trend that continues today.
1911's are here to stay too many good men and women have used them and like them to see them become obscure, look at how many companies started making them in just the last 20 years.;)
 
I saw look at revolvers.

I'm 38, I am old enough to remember when policemen carried revolvers because semi-auto were not considered reliable. It wan't unitl the mid-1980, the era of the "wonder 9" that the sun began to set on the revolver.

Did revolvers disapper? Certainly not, but they are now more considered "sport handguns" rather than defense guns in most people's minds.

The 1911 is in the same position. Actually, I guess it's all ready there. The Glock or the Baretta has taken over as the "standard" auto loader. Right or wrong, good or bad, that is how I see it. Hi cap mid bore seems to have won the race.

The 1911 will aways be around, but I doubt you will find too many Generation Y shooters (raised on hi cap guns in video games) are going to consider the 1911 the end all and be all.

Just my opinion, the disciples of Jeff Cooper (peace be upon him) will ceretainly disagree. :)

Joe
 
Oh my dear! Did I just see a line drawn in the sand?!

The next 1911 thread will be lamenting that the 1911 was dropped but wait...dial tone...call is inbound on the hotline...the military is testing a new version of the 1911.

"...can't we all just get along?!"

These threads crack me up. Tell you what, you have $1,100.00 to spend...no, wait, that's been done before too. Okay, I know what I can contribute...

The search feature is your friend.

Doc2005
 
The 1911 is an icon on the American handgun scene, as is the Hi-Power. It's not going anywhere and will probably see another resurgence after the AWB-II is passed. Low capacity, sure, but reliable 8 and 10 round magazines are available if you really want them. Ergonomics are still pretty good though, and the grip safety is genius IMO. The arguments against it are just plain foolish anyway. If you have trouble activating the thing you are simply not holding the gun anywhere close to correctly. To me it's like complaining that the Glock safety requires your finger to be on the trigger to de-activate it.... yeah that's THE POINT!

People love the 1911 for what it is, not all of the things it isn't.

Is it perfect? Nope, but I haven't found the "perfect" one yet, and I've shot a lot of them. I know what would be the perfect gun for me and they just don't make it yet... probably have to put it together myself, or as close to it as I can get anyway.
 
In light of FBI statistics that the average gun fight is over in about 2.3 shots fired, kind hard to explain the need to more rounds than 10 + 2 reloads. Besides, when you pack the power of Thor, what else do you need?!
 
Don't see it going out of style any time soon. As long as there is a market for them, manufacturers will still keep churning them out. As far as I know, they are selling more now than they sold 50 years ago.

Personally, I think polymer is a cheap alternative to good metal alloys that we are constantly being told is better by the gun companies themselves. I have never known a polymer framed pistol that could compare performance-wise to many of the better metal alloy designs out there. Sure polymer is rust proof, but it also costs a very small fraction of what milling a metal alloy frame costs. Think huge profits for gun makers by lowering production costs and lowering overall costs for more sales. The key of course is to convince the customer that polymer is just as good or better than metal framed pistols.......some buy it, some don't.
 
I'm 22, so I'm in the current generation of handgun owners. I own two 1911s both made by Colt. I've never had a malfunction with my 1911s.

I have owned different revolvers: 4" Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum, 6" Ruger GP100 .357 Magnum, 6" Smith & Wesson 66 .356 Magnum, and a 4" Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum.

I have owned different semiautos: Glock 21 .45 ACP and Smith & Wesson M&P .40 S&W.

I like my two 1911s much more than all of the above guns.

There's nothing wrong with a single action. The M16, M4, and practically every semiautomatic or select fire rifle or carbine is a single action.

I don't like the long trigger pull of a double action and I don't like the squishy trigger pull of the "Glock action" plastic pistols. I don't like the fat uncomfortable grip that Glock and other plastic pistols have.

So to answer your question, no. Honestly, I can't understand the H&K, Sig, or Glock "thing." I guess I'm just not tacticool.
 
The 1911 isn't going anywhere for a recreational shooter. Its days as a popular service weapon with LE are gone forever. As someone else said, its like revolvers as service weapons.
 
I'm 22, so I'm in the current generation of handgun owners. I own two 1911s both made by Colt. I've never had a malfunction with my 1911s.

Then it's likely you haven't shot enough ammo in one day. :D

We see 1911's in the ITFTS courses, by the end of the day and 800-1000 rds later, they've all balked one way or another. In fact, I haven't seen but one or two 1911's not choke one way or another in the courses. Thats some high end and low end milspecs and everything in between.

I see Sigs, Glocks, HK's, and a few others that make it through the 1000+ rds count in a day of shooting in the courses, and most will run all day with nothing but mag changes.

Will the 1911 be around for a long time to come, I sure hope so, I used to carry them almost exclusively for over two decades. Had some pretty reliable ones in the bunch I've owned as well. But not anywhere as reliable as the glocks or sigs I've owned in those same years.

As to ammo capacity, 8 before a reload is not enough. Don't believe it, try some FoF in a class some time. Make it two adversaries, and you'll be slidelocking PDQ, and then while you mandatorily reload, we high cap polymer carriers can take our sweet time getting the the remainder of half a mag on you.;)

I don't carry based on fbi stats as to what is "average" on the streets. I err on the side of caution and carry enough IN the gun so thinking of maybe having to reload is almost going to be something non existant.

Brownie
 
I'm sure Ol' Slabsides will go the way of the horse and buggy about the same time that the Single Action Army does. The old .45 Peacemaker has been around since 1873 and is going strong. Smith & Wesson is still making its Military & Police revolver (although they tacked the name on a line of polymer stuff because they weren't bright enough to think up a new name) which came out in 1899, and has been along its present lines sine 1902.

I'm pretty sure that some of these, if not all of them, will be around for the next generation, but I'm not sure the current crop of tactical handguns won't have been replaced with newer models.

I notice that some like to blast away with endless uber-taps in all directions, but I'm not sure where all of this fits into real life situations.

The Old Fuff will admit that the current crop of 1911 platform pistol makers are a sorry lot, more given to making big-boy toys then honest weapons. However the "real ones" had a pretty good reputation for getting the job done, and it was earned where real fighting was going on. Can't always say that about the newer kids on the block.

But to each his own... ;)
 
1911's of all Kinds are JUNK, to keep you all safe, I volunteer to take them all from you, so you can go shoot some space aged tupperware, no need to thank me, just PM me how many you have and I will pay the shipping.

BTW; that low capacity thing is holding you back, you need to miss your target 7 times and pray for the eighth shot to hit COM, so switch now to a high capacity so you can miss 14 times and pray for the 15th shot to hit COM :uhoh:

Being 26 years old now, I'm the 4th Generation of the 1911, Great Grandpa had one, Grandpa had a few, My Father has a few and I have a 1911 sickness, my kids and grand kids will be 1911 men and women or they'll be dis-owned. I no longer use my 1911 for HD though, after haveing to "drop your gun" and laying my KimberTLE down on the asfault, I've turned to a $400 XD-40, feels like a fat 1911 though. But I'm looking for another 1911, which will be a 'worn, loose, SS and recieve some hand-me-down parts', then I'll be returning to the low capacity, jamming 1911 for HD.

I put this thread up when I got my Kimber Ageis ... I can't believe I only have 4 though... I need more... :neener:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=301512
 
BTW; that low capacity thing is holding you back, you need to miss your target 7 times and pray for the eighth shot to hit COM, so switch now to a high capacity so you can miss 14 times and pray for the 15th shot to hit COM

If I miss 7 times, I have 11 more to hit you with. Can't do that with an 8 shot now can you?;) I'll take the odds of not missing, just like we see in force on force using the skills I impart to others [ btw-our COM hits with the skills we employ are over 90% on the run and at movers ]

I return you now back to your regularly scheduled 1911 addictions:D

Brownie
 
If I miss 7 times, I have 11 more to hit you with.
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If you miss 7 times, you're likely gonna be dead anyway...regardless of how many you've "got left" to hit with.

Gunfight winners/losers are usually decided within 2-3 rounds in about 3 seconds...and usually...whoever hits first wins.
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BINGO !

Are 1911's going to fade away.....H*** NO :)
 
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