WrongHanded
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One other thing--survival and lethality are not factors that pertain directly to defensive effectiveness.
Very true. Stopping the threat before they do any/more harm is the goal.
One other thing--survival and lethality are not factors that pertain directly to defensive effectiveness.
Really not a big fan of the 9mm, much prefer the 38 Super and 1911's in general but in the extreme heat of summer I find the Sig P365 perfect for front pocket concealed carry.
Just curious about what others think about packin the punybellum?
So what? ou are looking for certainty.That is my point, and it's the same point regarding reducing the splits in a lighter recoiling round, you'd be hard pressed to prove a 9mm would have saved a .45 shooter who wasn't successful in employing lethal force in a self-defense situation, .
r that the 9mm wouldn't have been successful in its employment in a self-defense situation where .45 shooter was successful
Read the seminal work on the subject, Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness, for a better understanding of the subject
Given desirable and reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet.
So what? ou are looking for certainty.
Don't.
We can objectively predict that a greater number of hits (requiring a higher rate of controlled fire) will provide a higher likelihood of a timely stop; the obvious advantage goes to the 9.
The experts do not expect the 9 to be less effective than the .45.
Eh... S&W 642 anyone ?
NO!Eh... S&W 642 anyone ?
The "bigger bullet, bigger hole" guys don't seem to realize that while in comparison to one another, devoid of context, the .45 looks considerably larger than 9mm, the difference between them compared to the size of a human body is inconsequential.
Try DM Bullard: https://bullardleather.com/anyway I would like to find a nice IWB leather holster for my Sig XL any suggestions?
All I can seem to find is Kydex.
Are you quite finished ?NO!
Had one.
Difficult trigger pull, stinging recoil, terrible sights, low capacity, large for what it is.....
NO!
Had one.
Difficult trigger pull, stinging recoil, terrible sights, low capacity, large for what it is.....
RetiredUSNChief yours was the most unbiased and least opinionated reply I've read, thank you.I'm curious...why do do you describe the 9mm as "punybellum"?
Great stuff, always.One of my favorite quotes about the issue of caliber on this site comes from Frank Ettin:
So as a rule of thumb --
- More holes are better than fewer holes.
- Larger holes are better than smaller holes.
- Holes in the right places are better than holes in the wrong places.
- Holes that are deep enough are better than holes that aren't.
- There are no magic bullets.
- There are no guarantees.
Good idea.1. 45acp for home defense as it won't blind me or blowout my eardrums,