Guns in God's House?

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There is a local church where the pastor ENCOURAGES people to carry in church. The local police hate the guy.
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I'd be willing to bet he is a Baptist. A friend of mine is a Baptist minister and he has an aquaintence that not only encourages the congregation to carry, he carries as well.

Michigan is another state that allows CPL holders to carry in church so long as they have the pastor's permission. Me? Not yet, as I haven't asked him.
 
Just a quick note to HEMICUDA. The saying "God helps those who help themselves... " is not in the Bible. It was spoken by Ben Franklin. Just so you know.
 
Regarding carrying at church: "Amen, brother!" Translated for you heathen folk: "it is so" ;) . I attend regularly and always have a little P-32 in my pocket.

Do I think I'll ever need it at church--probably not. Will I have it if I ever do need it--absolutely.
 
Can you get to and from church without transiting indian country. Auto burglaries at churches are VERY common. So whatcha gonna do wit it? Armed assaults in churches are getting more and more common all the time.
 
Always

Funerals, weddings, Sundays, weekdays, etc. Usually three guns, a 3" 37, and a pair of 642s.

I am old--way too old to run and hide, but I still shoot pretty well. J frames conceal well, and being revolvers, spares could be handed to others who know how to use them.

I see no conflict.:)
 
Do you carry in church?

I do not regularly attend however I can't bring myself to carry in places of worship when attending weddings, funerals, baptisms, confirmations, etc.

What do others think? Disrespectful or perfectly acceptable?
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Perfectly acceptable. Why change your carrying practice when in Church? Does the Lord not like guns? :confused: If that's the case, maybe he doesn't like people who carrying them, in which case I guess you should stay out of his house altogether, whether carrying or not.
 
I figure that God can make my gun disappear if he doesn't agree with my decision to protect me and mine.
Thus far, me and God have been on the same page concerning this matter.

Biker
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ROFLMAO. How do I join the Biker fan club?
 
When every I leave my house

When ever I leave my house I carry unless I am going swimming. No exceptions.
 
Virginia says it's only legal given "good and sufficient reason". Which is not defined anywhere! Protecting ones family would seem to fit that description in my estimation.
 
My pastor has stated many times that he wants people to ccw in his church, as a matter of fact several times a year a bunch of us meet on church property to skeet shoot, with the pastor being the best shot.

A side question, for those in states that do not allow ccw in church. If it is ok with the pastor, and since a church is private property, and you can ccw on private property then how can a state make it illegal if you have permission?
 
A side question, for those in states that do not allow ccw in church. If it is ok with the pastor, and since a church is private property, and you can ccw on private property then how can a state make it illegal if you have permission?
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Huh? Are you suggesting that if you have permission to do something on private property, laws don't apply?

In Utah, it's the opposite. CCW is legal in church unless the church specifically requests to prohibit weapons and notifies the BCI. So far, only one church has done it, but since they have 1500 or so meeting houses, that pretty much wiped out legal CCW in church about half the population.
 
If I could carry in this state, I'd carry in Church.....

Only saving grace is that we have Two State Troopers, a county sheriff, and a deputy in the church most Sunday's.....
 
Huh? Are you suggesting that if you have permission to do something on private property, laws don't apply?

No, I am asking if it is already legal to do something, ccw on private property, then how can they make it illegal to do on church property since it is private and you have permision. I think that you could win a case against these laws
 
In puritan New England members of the militia were required to bring their weapons to church. This was more for inspection than defense, though the possibility of the need for defense was always present.

It is legal in Oklahoma and I generally do, though I feel confident our pastor would forbid it. The need to be alert sometimes interferes with my worship, so sometimes I leave it in the car.

I have had to go to ankle carry to avoid the hug bunnies. We used to be a more dignified place, but now everyone gets offended if you don't want to hug them.
 
Quote: "Houses of worship in TX must be posted or you have to be personally told."

TX CHL instructor since day 1 here. Yes, that pretty much sums it up correctly. I might differ with the word "personally" (as pastor, for example, could make an announcement to the entire congregation - although I've never heard of such being done.)

The change was made down near the end of verbiage in 46.035. Effective Sept. 1 1997 - the same year that 30.06 was added. I forget the letter (i ?), but the sentence esentially eliminated 4 of the original 12 "prohibited locations" - unless they give "effective notice" (as defined in 30.06).
 
+1 for carrying in church. I always do and I know there are several other CHL holders in my church. Even the Good Shepherd could use a few "sheep dogs" to help guard the flock :)
 
Well, I’m Jewish, and I figure if something is going to happen to me there’s a good chance it’ll happen at my synagogue due to anti-Semitism.
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Sorta already happened in that community center in...Oakland, IIRC? :what:

I'm not Jewish, but hey, we're all infidels in the eyes of the Islamofacists! :evil:

Anyhow, I don't attend church, but would CCW if I did. As I once pointed out to the Brady offshoot "God not guns," I don't recall the passage in the Bible that tells of how the saved become bullet-proof. In fact, just the opposite - God all but promises His people suffering on this side of life.

"God helps those that help themselves" may not be scripture, but I think it's the right attitude. God provided me with a good body...bad eyesight, but He also gave man the know-how to invent contacts....the chance to develop the WILL to defend myself and others. And a good job that let me afford a G19 and the CCW class and paperwork and fees....

Seems like I'd be an INGRATE if I didn't put all that to use! :cool:
 
One of the local CCW instructors here in my southern Missouri town is also pastor of a local Baptist church. He announced from the pulpit that anyone with a CCW permit is not only welcome but encouraged to carry while attending services in his church. He said that churches are a target of some crazed folk and that if one of those crazies were to attack him or his church the help of legal and trained citizens would be welcome.
 
No, I am asking if it is already legal to do something, ccw on private property, then how can they make it illegal to do on church property since it is private and you have permision. I think that you could win a case against these laws
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CCW on private property is not granted by the law in this state. A Utah CFP exempts you from three laws. "The concealed firearm permit only exempts the permit holder from three laws: carrying a concealed and loaded firearm in a vehicle; carrying a concealed firearm on your person and; carrying a loaded and concealed firearm on or about school property."

It says nothing about giving you the ability to carry on private property.

In fact, they avoid the issue:
What about private businesses? Can they post signs prohibiting someone from carrying a gun into their business, even though the person has a concealed firearms permit?

Naturally, private property owners may apply whatever restrictions they want. Whether or not these restrictions violate one's constitutional rights is for the civil courts to decide.

The law (Utah Code 76-10-530) specifically states that if you are asked not to carry in a church or private residence and you continue to, you're in violation of the law.

Perhaps your state different, but the law is pretty clear here.
 
Jorg

I do not think you are following what I am asking. In those states that you can CCW, on private property unless otherwise posted, how can they say you can not carry in a church if you have permission from the pastor, since it too is private property.

Take Louisiana for example, you can get a carry permit but law forbids you from carrying in church even if the pastor gives you permission. My question is how can they do this if it is legal to carry concealed on private property with consent of the owner, then I do not see how this law would stand up in court.
 
not me.

I don't carry in church.

Except on Sunday or if I have to go take care of something on a different day of the week. :)
 
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