Have you ever experienced an AD or ND?

[CoRoMo]

The first post that I ever made to this forum was to troubleshoot a rifle that I have. The problem it was experiencing would qualify me for the AD description in the poll. Before I figured out the problem, it must have AD'd a few dozen times or so. I have since fixed that rifle and it hasn't done that in a long time.

 

[FLAvalanche]

One day it will happen - just not to this day.

So let's just keep telling every anti and their dog that we're all inherently dangerous because each and every one of us WILL fire our guns negligently at some point.

Am I the only one who sees just how foolhardy it is to make statements like this whether you belive in it or not?

We truly are our own worst enemy.

 

[racine]

Have you ever been in an auto accident? If you shoot enough, you will eventually have an AD or ND or both. I'll admit I've had both, not proud of it but have learned to make safety paramount with no compromise. I'm especially hard with this on my son but he needs to learn from my mistakes.

 

[Rail Driver]

I haven't experienced an ND or AD .... yet. When/if it does happen, it will likely be a mechanical failure rather than operator failure... I've had the 4 rules drilled into me for 20 years (only because I got into the game late!) and they're instinctive.

 

[mljdeckard]

Maybe this falls under 'other', I dunno. When I was about 12, I was out with my dad and the 10/22, he shot it a few times, and gave it to me to hold while he topped off the mag, and I clicked it off safe and shot it. I didn't know that he left a round chambered. Of course I looked and felt stupid, but there are a lot worse ways to learn that lesson.

My little brother showed me a hole in the garage wall from his teenage years, messing around with his friends.

I have been around several NDs growing up.

 

[mljdeckard]

Oh, one more I guess. I was out shooting jackrabbits with a borrowed beat-up Winchester pump .22. We were done, and I didn't know how to clear it, so I pumped and clicked it a few times, on the third or fourth click, it went off. The guy told me the rifle probably hadn't been cleaned in 50 years.

 

[oasis618]

 

[Dulvarian]

Neither. But there is always a possibility of a failure. For people that swear up and down that there can never be a mechanical failure that you can't prevent, I'm going to have to call BS on that.

On an amusing note, any piece of metal can go below its brittle fracture temperature and fail under almost no load. Just depends on the metal and the temperature. Lucky for me, it never gets anywhere near that cold here.

You can, however, prevent ND by following the 4 rules. And if you are following them, even an AD should not cause an utter catastrophe. If you notice, there are quite a few comments in here that support that statement.

 

[Sgt_R]

"Other"

I was sitting on the couch when my cousin shot a hole in my living room wall. Not fun.

R

 

[Dnaltrop]

I've never caused an AD/ND...

Twice now I've been in the presence of someone who "knows" guns, pulled the slide, showed me the empty chamber, then removed the mag and pulled the trigger to prove that the gun is safe.

Still here and unperforated, but you can understand why I've tended to be an "outdoors and alone" shooter.

 

[Defense Minister]

Two NDs.

In one instance, I was aware that the weapon was hot, so it was pointed in a safe direction. I count it as an ND because I didn't intend to fire the weapon, and it had become hot in the first place because of my negligence.

The other one was just plain old stupidity!

 

[C-grunt]

Yes, I have had an ND. It was preventable and I flatly screwed up.

Same here.

Just got done cleaning my handgun and got up off the couch to put it back in its holster, which I left in the kitchen for some stupid reason. As I stood up I tripped over the edge of the rug under the cofee table and fell forward. I reached out with my left hand and grabbed the edge of the table and at the same time pulled the trigger of my pistol. Shot through the table, through some DVDs and into the floor.

I am a believer in sympathetic reflex.

 

[Tim the student]

Neither.

 

[Lee Roder]

No

Just so this message is long enough, no futher explanation is required

 

[lions]

ND.

Attempting to lower the hammer on a DA revolver when my thumb slipped off the hammer, sending a bullet into the berm. Unfortunately my left thumb got a little too close to the cylinder gap and it got split open when the gun fired, I was very lucky it wasn't worse. Now I try to avoid lowering the hammer, but when I do I have adopted a much safer technique.

I got blood all over the gun and cartridges trying to unload it, I still have a blood stained .357 case as a reminder.

 

[wrs840]

Neither (at least personally perpetrated).

I was first witness to one at about 10 when my 15 year-old brother had a ND in our parents' basement involving a .22LR cartridge, a bench-vice, a hammer, and a pair of pliers...

Made quite an impression on both of us.

Les

 

[FLAvalanche]

Have you ever been in an auto accident? If you shoot enough, you will eventually have an AD or ND or both.

Nope, never been in a car accident either.

Driving a car takes just as much responsibility and attention as shooting. It floors me how many people here have obviously taken that for granted.

 

[303Jeff]

ND a couple of years ago, with my marlin 60. The slide had locked back for whatever reason, with rounds still in the tubular magazine.

I walked around with it like that for a minute, keeping it pointed at the ground in the direction of my target. Dropped the slide with it pointed at the ground, pulled the trigger and Pop! I was startled, and noticed it hadn't locked open. Pointed it at the target and fired TWO more rounds.

Ever since then I check the chamber and mag of EVERYTHING before dry firing even if I have just cleared it. Haven't even had any close calls since then and don't expect I'll have one again, as long as I remain disciplined.

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

my m16 had a faulty safety, I put my weapon to safe and took a knee to reload, after reloading I released the bolt and the weapon discharged, the weapons safety had a faulty detent which allowed it to switch out of safe.

 

[Cmiller21b]

I'm in Afghanistan, and we take NDs VERY seriously! Automatic Article 15 for NDs. Don't care who you are! We had a soldier who shot his partner while messing with his M-9. Luckily he was hit in the leg and not hurt very badly. We still kid him that he should have gottet a Purple Heart cause the guy that shot him was from Mexico!!

 

[gun guy]

I haven't heard it put quite like that but cook off's, AD? (auto discharge?) happen when small arms and sometimes cannons are subjected to constant fire. With inert projectiles such as with most small arms the round goes downrange, with HE projectiles, found in cannons, a cook off can take out a gun crew. Some automatic weapons fire from an open bolt to help prevent cook off's. I have seen a few cook off's.
ND? No idea what that is, operator error? Have i been there when some careless person failed to check a weapon properly, or accidentally sent a round thru the side of a helo, or the hull of a small boat? uh huh. Has it happened to me, nope.

 

[RDCL]

Yes, in my case ND. No one hurt, thank God.

I was 16 years old, and at 51 now I remember it like it was yesterday. All of us were born into and raised in a "gun family". Firearm safety and proper maintenance was hammered into our heads from day one.......so one can fault dad.....it was MY stupid mistake and mine alone. I KNEW better.....
but then boys will be boys I guess....

We had a large gun cabinet in the house and it was always kept locked, only dad and myself had keys to the lock. Dad had just bought a new S&W .38 snub. One day while he was at work I called him to ask permission to get out his .38 just to look at it. That's it....I just wanted to LOOK at it and polish it then put it back. Over the phone dad said ok, his words:

....."Just make sure it's unloaded and DO NOT load it......since I'm not there though ask mom to make sure it's ok with HER".

...Well, I by-passed the "mom" part and went straight for the gun cabinet after I got off the phone with dad. Mom had not a clue.....she was going about the house doing what-ever. So I take the gun over to the sofa and I sit down to look it over. My younger sister (14) is sitting on the living room floor eating a salad watching TV. I sit and polish it up with an oily rag admiring the nice blue finish. I can't help but to wonder what the gun FEELS like loaded. What will it look like LOADED. So yes, I dis-obey dad...twice....and I go get a box of .38 special and I load her up! To this VERY day I don't know how it happened because I don't remember deliberatley pulling the trigger on a gun I'd just loaded.....I KNOW better.....but of course I did. Bang!....I mean BANG!! The sound was deafining. My ears would'nt stop ringing.
Call it sheer unbelievable LUCK or the grace and understanding of a higher power that the muzzle was pointed in a "safe" direction when it happened. The "safe" direction was moms lamp on the end table to my left and the living room wall next to it. The slug passed through the lamp shade barely missing the bulb and logded itself into the wall. I sat there stunned. I could'nt believe what I'd just did. I felt stupid. Embarressed....and scared. Mom came running into the living room in a panic screaming. Sis sat there on the floor staring at me.....mouth hanging open....eyes big as golfballs....on the verge of freaking out completely.......the entire contents of her salad bowl glued to the ceiling....thanks to all the Italian dressing she used.

Again, to this day I thank God I did not hurt anyone in my family or anyone else for that matter. This could have been a tragedy. Yeah, dad had a long discussion when he got home (early) that day. I'm ashamed of the event to this day. I always will be.....but it's kind of a strange thing that BECAUSE of that incident I think that I'm much more of a safe gun handler to this day because of it. I'm not saying that a ND is a proper way to learn gun safety at all...they are to be avoided, we all know.....I'm just saying it took that event to ram into my head the seriousness of it all in a way my fathers years of teaching could not.

I told my dad in our "discussion" that this will never EVER happen again. I think he truley believed me too.....and it has not. Nor will it ever.

 

[inherentical]

No. I don't buy into the two types of shooter thing, either. I've been present for ND's, most notably one that took place when another armorer was snapping in with his duty pistol prior to range qualification. I suppose I could see a mechanical malfunction causing an accidental discharge at some point in my life, but I have a healthy respect for my firearms and check, recheck, and check again before disassembly or cleaning, at the range, or before I put them away. I also use clearing barrels before dropping the hammer in my home, even after my ritual of checking, because there are some accidents you can't undo.

 

[ILikeLead]

nope

 

[Sky]

Dad was a machine gunner during WWll and has never liked any fire arm that had a barrel shorter than his arm.

He never let me have a pistol when I was growing up; thought they were to dangerous.

When dad was 65 or so we were out shooting a pistol and when he lowered the pistol by his side it went off missing his leg and foot by inches. He just looked at me and said,"Told you these things are dangerous"!