Have you ever experienced an AD or ND?

Have you ever experienced an AD or ND?

  • AD (firearm malfunctioned and cause a round to fire unexpectedly)

    Votes: 44 23.5%

  • ND (operator error caused a round to fire unexpectedly)

    Votes: 100 53.5%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 57 30.5%
  • Total voters
    187
  • Poll closed .
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No. But I figure it's like the male and prostate problems; if you live long enough, the odds are against you...........
 
Driving a car takes just as much responsibility and attention as shooting. It floors me how many people here have obviously taken that for granted.
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Of the NDs that I know of, all but one of them occurred because duty/carry guns were being 'smithed and somebody did an action check on the firearm with the wrong magazine in it. That's why 'smiths have strict rules about keeping ammo away from any workbench, because for many repairs there is no choice but to drop the hammer. However, in some cases it's also flatly necessary to test-fire the gun, which implies needing live ammo and a magazine. <sigh> And, very occasionally, mixups occur that ought not...

Yes, in every case one of the four rules was broken. But in every case, the remaining three rules were followed and no harm resulted.

Does that mean that the situations were OK? Heck, no. But it does mean that folk are 'obviously taking their responsibility for granted'? Not hardly.

We should never project an air of complacency when it comes to gun safety. However, I also see little profit to be had in holier-than-thou worldviews, either...
 
once.

was loading an sks. when the bolt closed it fired off a round. my finger WAS NOT on the trigger at all. sks was pointed in a safe direction, so no one was hurt, but it scared me to death when it happened. promptly handed it back to its owner and did not touch it again.

i don't know if you chalk that up as a AD or mechanical error or what.
 
yes a AD

I bought a old Suhl 12 gauge SBS and went trap shooting after about 5 rounds the gun wouldnt fire not at all no matter how hard i pressed the trigger.

I was about to breach the gun, dropped the barrels towards the ground and BAM the gun went of about 2-3 feet infront of me 2-3 inches from the electrical wire that went to the trapbunker. i almost soiled myself and dropped that gun in to the gunstore and demanded to get my money back wich i did get.

other then that ive seen 2 ND from very safe and hi performing shooters during shooting training/drills, the "unload show clear dryfire towards the target" sumhow the ejectorhook didnt get a hold of the rounds. one of the guys is my local groups shooting instructor
 
I had a Parker GH with double triggers go off upon closing and a brand new S&W Model 39 fire when the slide was closed and, when fired at the range for the first time, it fired bursts.

Part wear in the case of the Parker and a broken, crystalized sear or sear disconnect (cannot remember) on the Smith.

The former occurred in '74 or 5, and the latter, in 1966.

i've always been a real stickler for muzzle control.
 
I had a fun experience at the clay range this winter. My old Winchester fired on closing, making an interesting smoking hole in the snow about a yard in front of me. I then reloaded before discovering that I was out of clays, so I had to unload it again. As soon as I moved the top lever to open the gun it fired again. Obviously I didn't try it again with live shells, but I did with snap-caps, 5 times out of six it fired on closing or opening. Scarey stuff!

I took it to the gunsmith who inspected it and said that it was due to a combination of accumulated crud and sub zero temperatures. I've had no problems since, but I still don't trust it 100%.
 
I’m not sure how many rounds I’ve fired over the last 50+ years but I’m sure it’s at least several 100,000.
I have had 2 AD both were slam fires. There was nothing wrong with the firearms. The problems were caused by ammo with high primers. Both times the rifle was pointed down range.
I’ve had 1 ND. I was hunting with lever action rifle one cold rainy morning. I saw a deer. I racked around into the chamber. The deer wasn’t legal, so I started to lower the hammer to cock and my thumb slipped off the hammer and fired.
 
I had a friend who worked in a gunshop a couple of evenings each week who had two Ruger Super Blackhawks. Remember when Elmer called that gun the Ruger Dragoon?

He kept one loaded and one empty. On Saturday evenings, he would strap on the empty one and try to outdraw James Arness as "Marshal Dillon" outdrew Arvo Ojala.

You know where this is going. Yep, he got the guns mixed up one time. He drew as usual. This time the color TV tube imploded, he could see grass instead of interior wall, the picture window was broken, and the bullet bounced off the driveway and lodged in the track of the opening garage door across the street. He couldn't hear a thing for some time.

The guy's wife had always criticized his fast draw antics as juvenile, and the guys at the gun shop were less than kind. "A guy who would do that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun."

Not long after that happened, the guy at the shop who had been most vocal took a brand new Remington 870 out of the box, opened the action, checked the chamber, worked the slide once or twice, put to his shoulder and---BLAM. The butt stocks of several Brownings on the upper level of the rack were destroyed.

The guy took the guns to the Browning facility in Arnold, MO for repair. When he explained what "someone" had done, the Browning guy said...

"A guy who would do that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun."

As I said---muzzle control.
 
During a .22 Bullseye slow fire training session, I regripped my M41 and in the process pulled the trigger. shot the dirt 15 feet in front of me down range.
 
I do so love the politically correct term "Negligent Discharge". My mistake was not so much a "Negligent Discharge" as it was a stupid, dumd-#$$ mistake on my part. Thankfully, the only harm done was to a patch of carpet in my bedroom. Not sayin' nothing else.
 
Not sure what you would call it but when I was shooting my model 29 in single action I lined up the sights, cocked the hammer & when I was about to precisely align the sights the gun fired. It surprised me and it was actually a very good shot. I wasn't ready to pull the trigger but I must have barely touched it while the hammer was cocked.
 
I had one ND when I was 18. It was totally my fault. The gun was a Ruger MKII Target and was in my pants pocket when it happened. I felt a burning on my right thigh and dropped my pants to reveal only a thin red line down my thigh. I almost ruined the pants in a different way though.
 
I voted ND. A couple years ago on my bull elk hunt I had to run up to get a shot at the bull I was stalking. Anyway I didn't have much time so I hurriedly pulled up next to a smallish pine tree and took a rest on a low hanging branch. I hit him with the first shot but I didn't know it, he only took a step or two. So as I ejected a shell and put another in I had to raise the rifle back up onto the branch, and as I did this the gun went off! I had to a double take and make sure I didn't have my finger on the trigger (I didn't). In my excitement I just ejected another round and got ready to shoot again but it was too late, the bull started running off. After the fact I surmised that one of the low dangling branches must have gotten in the trigger guard when I ejected the first shell. The pine wasn't a large one and there were a lot of dead branches sticking out of it. It was quite startling when the gun went off because my brain knew I didn't have my finger on the trigger yet. Like I said I had to look and make sure. The bull ran about 200 yards and died, I hit him good with the first shot;)
 
I had an ND about six years ago that sent a .40S&W through the ceiling, ricocheted off the chimney, and buried itself in a stud. Rule Four saved my bacon on that one--I unintentionally pulled the trigger on my Beretta 96, but it was pointed straight up. Rattled, I dropped the magazine, racked the slide 5-10 times, put it away, and just sat down in the kitchen thinking about what I just did. Poor judgment brought on by extreme drowsiness is what I think caused that. Needless to say, I take much stricter measures now. :uhoh:

I had an AD a couple of months ago. While at the range, I was showing a family member how to operate a Bersa .380 CC he recently purchased. I loaded a magazine, racked the slide, and as I showed him how the de-cocker worked, the pistol fired. Once again, Rule Four saved our lives, since Rule Two was rendered moot by the fact that he had lost the firing pin block safety spring, and felt that it wasn't necessary to reinstall the firing pin block safety. After a quiet and stern explanation of everything that had gone wrong, we put it back in the range bag and kept shooting the other stuff we had brought, him listening intently to all my pointers and advice. A sweep of the den with a magnet turned up the missing spring, and a minute or two later I inspected and pencil-tested the Bersa, which was working perfectly again.
 
I think polls like these are a bad idea:


"3 out of 1 gun owners will accidentally set off their guns and potentially kill someone"
 
I do admire honest folks who are willing to acknowledge their mistakes
they are not the sort I am inclined to worry about
perfect people do worry me
there being so many of them, and so few of me

true, there are only FOUR rules
true, there are only TEN commandments
unfortunately there are SEVEN deadly sins
(go argue with Thomas Aquinas about that, not me, I ain't no saint, and not ever having either an AD nor a ND doesn't make me one, believe that)
 
One ND with a .25 Baby Browning about 17 years ago outdoors. I was not following the four rules, had my finger on the trigger before I was sure of my target.
As others have said, it sticks in your mind. I am pretty sure most folks are much more careful after having an ND and therefore don't do it again :)
 
In 30 years of enjoying the shooting sports I have had one ND, happened with a Winchester 30-30.
While sitting on my couch I worked the lever to unload it, after the rounds stopped flying out I worked the lever one more time then took aim at the door jamb expecting a
Click and got a BOOM instead. One lesson learned the HARD way,'atleast I hit the jamb where I was aiming. Won't make that error again.
 
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