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mhuxtable

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Just something I've noticed among gun carrying folks...

I read all the time that people will carry their sidearm PLUS one or two extra mags or speed loaders.

Is this really necessary? The vast vast majority of shooting incidents are over in 2 shots or less...why do some folks feel the need to carry possibly 45 or more rounds on them?

I would propose that if you end up in any incident where you would actually need to use 3 mags, you've either put yourself in a bad situation and you probably won't make it out unharmed/alive...or you're a terrible shot and probably shouldn't be carrying (hypothetical "you", not directed at anyone).

Anyone want to share their personal reason for feeling the need to carry that much ammo?
 
I carry one extra mag in case the one in my gun jams it up. That puts me at six + seven rounds. Seven + seven if I feel froggy.
 
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Is this really necessary? The vast vast majority of shooting incidents are over in 2 shots or less...why do some folks feel the need to carry possibly 45 or more rounds on them?
This has come up many times before. Most people who carry extra mag(s) claim to do so in case of failure or loss of their first mag (it does happen).

I would propose that if you end up in any incident where you would actually need to use 3 mags, you've either put yourself in a bad situation and you probably won't make it out unharmed/alive...or you're a terrible shot and probably shouldn't be carrying (hypothetical "you", not directed at anyone).
The actual need for 30-40+ rounds of ammo may indeed be vanishinly small, but if it is little or no inconvenience to carry it, why not? After all, just becuase the average shooting incidents result in only 2-3 shots fires, does not mean every shooting incident will.
 
The reason is two fold. First, the mag is the weakest link in any auto or semiauto weapon and so the most likely thing to fail. It's always faster and easier to replace a mag than screw around with the only one you have when there is a problem. Second, we're trained to reload when there is a lull in the action or the fight is over. I don't intend to be standing there with an empty gun as the smoke clears, there's no telling who's going to show up to the scene first - the cops or someone close to the guy you just shot - better to be loaded and ready than not.
 
I would propose that if you end up in any incident where you would actually need to use 3 mags, you've either put yourself in a bad situation and you probably won't make it out unharmed/alive...or you're a terrible shot and probably shouldn't be carrying (hypothetical "you", not directed at anyone).

I'm not of the mindset that if I think I'm going to need more than one magazine, I might as well just lay down because "I probably won't make it anyway."

As with anything you do to prepare for anything, you're paranoid/crazy until you're right. Keep extra canned food in case of disaster? You're crazy. Have canned food during a disaster? You have the most valuable commodity.
Carry 3 magazines? You're crazy. Somehow stumble into gang territory and have several thugs try to jump you? You were prepared.

Many people are anti-gun or at least favor control up until they become a victim, at which point they want to arm themselves. That's when they realize people who carry aren't paranoid, but are prepared.

Personally, I carry a spare, because of the reasons mentioned above: 1) it's not a big inconvenience, 2) fixes many common issues with autoloaders, and 3) if I do need the extra rounds, I have them.
 
Posted by mhuxtable: I read all the time that people will carry their sidearm PLUS one or two extra mags or speed loaders.
One of the main reasons that people carry an extra magazine is to clear a jam.

Is this really necessary? The vast vast majority of shooting incidents are over in 2 shots or less...why do some folks feel the need to carry possibly 45 or more rounds on them?
One will see people carrying thirty or more rounds in LEO circles and in competition. I know of no one who carries that much for self defense.

I know of no credible statistics that substantiate the assertion that the "vast vast majority of shooting incidents are over in 2 shots or less."

Most people are trained to fire two or more rounds at an attacker in a self defense situation, and that may not begin to suffice.

Also, then there may be--there will likely be--more than two of them, and there is a reasonable risk that the others may not cease and desist without being fired upon. And do you want to be left standing with an empty gun?

Suppose that it takes two hits to stop an attacker; that's probably optimistic, but let's use that. Suppose you can score hits 30% of the time; that's a reasonable assumption--remember that you'll be reacting fast and firing at a running target. Assume that you will stop shooting after you have scored two hits; that's a stretch, but let's assume that. And assume two attackers.

If you run the numbers with hose assumptions, you will find that with five shots, you will hit each attacker twice only three times out of one hundred encounters. If both attackers persist, that's probably optimistic, since you will likely fire three or four rounds at the first assailant.

Does that answer your question?

How many one should carry is a judgment call. I retired my five shot S&W Centennial from primary carry last summer after getting involved in this thread.
 
Is this really necessary? The vast vast majority of shooting incidents are over in 2 shots or less...why do some folks feel the need to carry possibly 45 or more rounds on them?

It's never about the odds/probability, it's about the price you pay if you aren't ready for that day when the "bad luck lottery" comes knocking. Ultimately it's a personal choice to decide what is "enough" for each individual.
 
Just something I've noticed among gun carrying folks...

I read all the time that people will carry their sidearm PLUS one or two extra mags or speed loaders.

Is this really necessary? The vast vast majority of shooting incidents are over in 2 shots or less...why do some folks feel the need to carry possibly 45 or more rounds on them?

I would propose that if you end up in any incident where you would actually need to use 3 mags, you've either put yourself in a bad situation and you probably won't make it out unharmed/alive...or you're a terrible shot and probably shouldn't be carrying (hypothetical "you", not directed at anyone).

Anyone want to share their personal reason for feeling the need to carry that much ammo?
I like to travel light so I dumbed spare mag(s) long ago. In theory spare 15 rounds is nice, but it's also heavy to carry.
 
I carry a revolver and the op mentions speedloaders so I'll address that.

I'm a country boy and and as such have used my ccw arm for non emergency shooting on occasion (mostly animals) for me the main reason I carry a speed strip is to be able to top my revolver back up so I'm not carrying around a partially expended cylinder.

The same would apply to an SD situation. I'm realistic though in that I understand if I have to reload in the heat of the moment I'm probably toast.




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As said above, I carry one extra mag just in case the one in the gun malfunctions. So many times when a failure to eject or load is not the gun's fault, but the mag.

My little LCP carries 6 + 1 so I do miss the 10 + 1 of my old 9 MM. Even then, I carried an extra mag with the 9 for a total of 21.

The chances of needing an extra mag is very very low, but if you do need one you need it very very badly.
 
a spare magazine or two helps to balance out your belt when theyre worn opposite of the gun. plus a reload is never a bad thing to have as stated before, the magazine is the weakest link in a semi-auto.
 
Let's be honest for a bit...
Just something I've noticed among gun carrying folks...

I read all the time that people will carry their sidearm PLUS one or two extra mags or speed loaders.

Is this really necessary? The vast vast majority of shooting incidents are over in 2 shots or less...why do some folks feel the need to carry possibly 45 or more rounds on them?
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Most dream up scenarios to validate their choice. The tiny gun camp the "I'll only need 2-3 rounds at <7 yards" mantra and the heavy arsenal camp "roving maniacal gangs abound" as the extremes IMO. I like to have a spare mag for the same reason I like to have a spare tire. Regardless, have enough gun... and you'll know for sure after whether or not you did.
 
never carried reloads...but i've often carried a secondary item;

strong side IWB p239/40 or colt defender and in my left vest or coat pocket a 642 or 332

a left hand gun gives me options how i may act relative to how a situation develpoes.
i am not restricted to only being able to deter by exposing a gun in a holster.
YMMV as will be your training and needs.
 
I carry a back up 10 rounder for my G26 when I think about it. It's just for jams and not round count. It rides so easily in my jeans fifth pocket that there is no reason NOT to stick one there. Same goes for my LCP.
 
If one lives in an area prone to, or likely to someday incur, natural disasters (i.e., hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc.), one should keep in mind the possibility of being stuck away from home for perhaps several days -- or maybe not having a home to return to ... (Ask someone whose home was in affected areas during Hurricanes Andrew or Katrina, earthquakes in California).

What you leave home with when going to work some day may be all you have available for a while, or all you have left for even longer ... I live in an area smack over the biggest fault lines in the continental U.S. -- where the scientists say it's not if, it's when, we will experience a major quake -- up to 10.0. Given the geography of my region, should a big one hit, we'll have no way to get around, and likely to be stuck for some time wherever we're at when it occurs. So I not only keep spare mags on my person, but in my car (with spare guns, water, food and extra clothing and footwear, not to mention first aid supplies).

Spare mags are not just because I'm prepared to defend myself or family in a single situation, no matter how unlikely. But I'm just paranoid (and prepared).
 
One will see people carrying thirty or more rounds in LEO circles and in competition. I know of no one who carries that much for self defense.

Really? Anyone who carries a gun with 15+ capacity and 1 spare mag is carrying 30 rounds. Between primary, BUG, and a spare mag for each, I'm carrying 46.
 
Downside is the extra size and weight. It's easier to conceal a spare mag or even two than it is to conceal a second gun.
 
I thought about it and decided that I can live with no reload.

I purchased a Rohrbaugh R9 and I sincerly doubt I'll ever get good enough with the heel mag release to be proficient with it in an actual conflict.

I'm just betting that 7 rounds are going to be enough...
 
People have hit on the two major reasons: 1) Reliability. We can think of all kinds of hypotheticals where one identically ejects a mag. Further, certain malfunctions typically require stripping the mag, its not unheard of for someone to bungle that and drop a mag. It could also just be your very very very unlucky day where you mag its self has some kind of issue. 2) You can not assure your gunfight is going to be the typical 3 round affair. Larry Corriea wrote a great article entitled something lime "my gun fight." The point of the article is that far too often people seem to envision how they will use their gun in SD or how a SD shooting will go down and prepare and focus on that to the exclusion of many other scenarios that are just as likely.

Downside is the extra size and weight. It's easier to conceal a spare mag or even two than it is to conceal a second gun.

Depends on the gun and the mags. I find concealing something like an LCP to be no more difficult than carrying a spare 15-17 round glock mag. In fact I think it is often a little easier and more comfortable. Of course having 7 rounds of 380 in an LCP isn't the same as having 17 more rounds of 9mm for my primary. The same is true for a PM9 sized gun. Carrying a 17 round mag is of course easier than carrying G17 or even a G26, or even a Kahr P9 sized gun.

As has been eluded to, a BUG offers some advantages a spar mag does not. Namely having a complete gun in a different spot from ones primary. I don't see a BUG necessarily being a mutually exclusive to a spar mag. Depending on what is carried as a BUG and how a spar mag is often a better solution to the problem at hand (i.e. a speed reload may be faster than going for the BUG).

One will see people carrying thirty or more rounds in LEO circles and in competition. I know of no one who carries that much for self defense.

I find that a bit surprising. Most of the G19 sized guns hold at least 15 (+1) rounds. A spare mag puts one at thirty. I know a lot of people who carry that sized gun plus a reload.

What I find curious is that when it comes to carrying a gun people seem very quick to label people a "level" above them (i.e. carrying more than what they do) as paranoid, unrealistic, etc, etc. They often do this for people a level below, but instead label them under armed, under prepared, etc. What's interesting to me is you see this everywhere on the spectrum from someone who carries no gun thinking a CCW is a loon (after all how likley are you to every really need that gun), to the 5 shot revolver guy thinking someone with a wonder 9 is over the top to the wonder nine guy thinking someone with a BUG or a reload is going overboard. While each of those people often thinks the one below them is flirting with disaster should Murphy come knocking.

What's more interesting to me is all the things many gun carrying people don't carry or keep with them in their cars, i.e. basic emergency supplies, basic tools, etc. But that's another thread.
 
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