Loose lipped family members

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Seriously the more people that you know that know you carry the more people that are aware that carry is out there and can become comfortable with it. Some of those will invariably at some point get into a discussion with someone about carry and will point out that they know someone who does and it's really not an issue.
I agree. Most of the people that I consider friends or aquaintences know I carry. I would rather they know so they can let me know if they are uncomfortable with it, or if and when the subject comes up with their family in an unfavorable light, they can reassure them that they know somebody that carries and "it hasn't changed him" or "he's still the same guy." I say this because it has happened on more than one occasion. It's possible it has changed a few minds.
 
When I started carrying, I told my brother that I would be carrying and that it was just between the two of us.

Two days later he jokingly patted me down in front of my whole family.
 
I know how you feel about wanting to keep it private, but like was said earlier family will gossip. :banghead: And having extended family and friends know ain't so bad. I carried awhile before I told my Mom and years before I let the rest of my family know. Interesting to note, after discussing it with her, my carrying helped my Mother and Stepfather decide to get their CCW. And we are talking about pistol packin' great-grandparents here! :D So you may influence someone you care about to get their CCW.
 
Antis operate largely - and quite often, solely - on emotion. When an anti - particularly a family member like a mother, brother, father, or grandparent - comes up to you and questions your motives, the best thing you could do is not start using reason. That, in the mind of an emotionally-motivated person, makes you look guilty of something or cagey.

The second best thing you could do, in my opinion, would be to respond to such an obvious attack on your character - while not necessarily verbally aggressively - but with a somewhat heated and hurt tone. Remember, they are coming to you judgmentally and questioning not only your decision, but your moral character to do what is right. Turn it around as a subtle statement about them: "did you not raise me/grow up with me/teach me right/know what kind of person I am? I am offended that you would suggest such a thing - that I would be less trustworthy in your mind than some random stranger who pulls you over, just because he has a badge?!"

Again, remember to phrase things - even if you throw in some facts and social/political statements - within the context of emotion that they will understand. Certain things are emotional hot buttons to certain people. (Guilt, trust, honesty, etc. - you should know what I'm talking about. My mother responds very well to guilt.)

That's the approach that has worked very well for me with my emotional relatives. Just turn it back on them, and you'll more than likely have them (at the least) saying they understand, and quite likely have them say they're sorry and that you're right. Of course, this would also be more likely to happen if you have strong family bonds to begin with (ie stronger family alliegance than alligence to any ideal or agenda, particularly to the state).

Yes, it's an underhanded practice, but it's no more underhanded than beating someone out with logic if you yourself were to operate within the realm of emotional argument. You've got to communicate with people using methods which they understand. It's only logical to sometimes behave an illogical manner to lead an emotional creature towards the logical conclusion.

Interestingly, my brother likely has the same animosity problems your brother does, with respect to spreading things around to the appropriate people so as to cause strife for you. Didn't want someone to know something? Yep, he'll tell them if he knows. I'm guessing he's a younger brother, and it's sibling rivalry? Might want to address that problem with him, and try to form a closer friendship with him. In my mind, brothers should be first, before extended family members.

IMO, the real problems here are not with respect to firearms - they're just typical family disagreements, and they'll happen as families grow apart geographically and in life interests. Let your parents (and grandparents, siblings, etc.) know that you're your own adult now, and that they should (respectfully) mind their own business and allow you to bring them into your adult life as you see fit, when you see fit.

As such, it's more than likely that it'll either have, or be able to run with little to know modification,

That sounds like something I, my dad, or one of my uncles would do. It would also most certainly be something my grandmother would not understand, and would likely scare her. Unfortunately. :( And honestly, a grandparent who thinks their grandchild wants to get a legal firearm carry permit to kill people is not the kind of person who will respond to sarcastic rhetoric in any manner other than emotionally and literally - emotional people want things to be emotional, in the same way that rational people want them to be rational.
 
Interesting thread, many good suggestions. Find what approach works for you, and be confident when called out about it. I find humor very disarming; "Why do you need a gun", because I couldn't fit a cop down my pants. I stole that line from someone on THR, but it works for me.
 
this concerns me why do you think you need this, do you plan on killing someone"

People who think that you need a permit to commit murder or some other crime used to amuse me, now I just think its just a pathetic failure on their part to engage their brain.

More than once, I've heard otherwise intelligent people refer to a carry permit as a "license to kill".

More than once, I've had to hammer home that the statement was ignorant and bigotted, that they had _precisely_ the same rights of self defense as I did, the only difference between us being that I had the means, and they did not. As you might guess, these would sometimes be the same folk who'd look to me if they thought an emergency might be shaping up.

Sometimes the light bulb goes on, and sometimes it blows out.
 
How do you explain the importance of concealed means concealed to a family member.

Everytime we have friends over,the discussion of me owning a gun scares them. Some have asked my wife: "You allow him to have it? Aren't you scared it may go off and hurt someone? Etc., etc".

She tells them that she trusts me because I've taken certified classes and go to the range almost 1-2 a week. Because of being very active with my Glock and not letting it collect dust, enables those doubters that I'm well prepared and "well" trained.

Assure them of that. It works for me at least.
 
this concerns me why do you think you need this, do you plan on killing someone"
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Yes Grandma, the first person who tries to do you or myself serious harm. :eek:
 
Fact and reason make you look guilty?
For emotionally-minded people, it does.

The emotional person would answer, "What? NO! Are you crazy? Kill somebody? I can't believe you'd even think that about me... I think I'm going to cry..." To a logical person, it sounds like a phony show of hysterics to dodge the question.

The rational person might answer, "If I planned to kill someone, do you think I would fill out a form 4473 and get my name added--illegally, I might add--to a federal database, and apply for a government-issued carry permit that involves giving the police my fingerprints, so they'd have an easier time catching me?" To an emotional person, that sounds like a bunch of slick talk to dodge the question.

--Len.
 
Seriously the more people that you know that know you carry the more people that are aware that carry is out there and can become comfortable with it.

Your position is admirable, but not everyone wants to be an activist.

Yeah I agree... I recommend treating concealed carry as a need to know basis. :D
 
First you shouldn't complain about anyone having loose lips until you realize where they got the information from. They did nothing but what you did first.
 
The answer to "Do you plan on killing someone?" is "No but I do plan to keep someone else from killing me, especially with the way the world is going now."
Let them consider how bad crime is getting and try to get them to realize that you do have the right to life and the right to defend that life.
 
In Indiana when your are 18 you can apply for your CCW, but your parent or legal guardian must purchase the firearm for you. Well this is what i did, when i got out of Boot camp for the Marine Corp my 2nd day home i went to the local shop and picked out my first handgun, a SW99 .40cal. My CCW permit came a week later and i have been carrying ever since, my dad the same day also purchased a kel-tec .38 and applied for his as well. Kind of a bonding experience if you ask me. I did not catch grief from my immediate family, but my aunt went nuts. Wondering why and 18 year old needs a gun..blah...blah...blah. Not to mention i shave my head so she already thinks im a skin head(her words not mine). In the end it is your choice to defend yourself if need be and excersise the 2nd.
my $.02
 
I've had my CCW permit for the last 19 years. At first my parents
just didn't understand WHY!!!
How the times change.
My dad has had his CCW for the last 3 years now.

MRI
 
To the OP.

I know everyone has an opinion on this. The truth is that we all have different paradigms. What works for one will not work for another. Some here advocate telling everyone you have a CPL and/or carry. Others advocate telling no one. It seems you feel few people should know. You chose the wrong person or people to tell. You should know your brother well enough to understand he could not be trusted with the information you gave him.

Addressing your question, reason with him if you can. Use examples, metaphors, hypotheticals, or whatever. Tell him that if he cannot keep his mouth shut, you are going to beat the sh** out of him. Mislead him into believing that you decided not to carry. I have little understanding of your family dynamics. You are going to have to tailor a plan to your unique circumstance.

I would hope that you learned a lesson from this, though. Just because someone is family does not mean they can be trusted. As someone already mentioned, loose lips sink ships, and this started with your loose lips. I know this post goes beyond answering the simple question of how to explain confidentiality to family members. You may think I am being harsh, but what good does it do to plug one leak in a ship if you are just going to create more? The root problem here is not that your brother is a blabber mouth, or that he is untrustworthy. The problem is that you divulged sensitive information to someone who cannot be trusted. By all means, get your brother to keep his mouth shut. You still need to acknowledge and address the real problem though. Good luck.
 
Sorry to hear about your extended family.

One thing to remember...the further you get from your immediate family (especially with large distances) the less they are "family" in the traditional sense and the more they are strangers or acquaintances. It is sad to say, but true. No reason that you will be like the rest of your family.

My grandparents for example are very pro gun and encouraged me to get my CCW. Half of my aunts thought I was crazy, my uncles thought it was a good idea, 1 aunt was indifferent and the other just knew I likes to shoot (big extended family). Fortunately they had all been raised to know that guns were tools and while not all of them approved of hunting/shooting they knew it was what I did and didn't go further than an initial sideways comment which I in turn ignored.

My immediate family knew my position and respected it even if they didn't agree. No further comments from them.

One of my brothers though had some words. I put forth a couple of scenarios and he realized I wasn't being crazy.

Basically...family is great and keep them close to your heart but you can always just ignore what they are saying.
 
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