M1911 vs Glock: The Gunshop Showdown
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Blacklabelz
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I endorse this one. hahaha.
Too_Pure
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Well, he runs a cash register so he is obviously a firearms expert. Next time one of these bozos is getting your Big Mac . . . I mean coffee . . . I mean ammo . . . tell him to keep the chit-chat to a minimum and hustle because you aint got all day.
Andrew Wyatt
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The 1911 is generally more of a hassle than the glock.
if i want reliable magazines i buy glock magazines. if i need to replace a part, i buy glock parts.
With a 1911, it's really not that easy.
if i want reliable magazines i buy glock magazines. if i need to replace a part, i buy glock parts.
With a 1911, it's really not that easy.
Sapper771
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I agree with Andrew Wyatt. Thats why I carry Glock, less hassle.
But the 1911 has class and soul that the Glock never will have. My Glocks do see the range more, but my TRP gets the most respect.
I do hear a lot of people say that Glocks are inaccurate. In my own experience, I have found this to be false. The trigger, the sights, and the grip dont really help the Glock in the accuracy department, I can agree with that. I have managed to shoot 2" groups from a rest at 25 yards with my G17 with the right ammo. My G34 has printed 1.5" groups from a bench at the same distance. This really isnt a stretch, I have seen others report similar groups. Even at that, dont think they can hold a light to a well built and tuned 1911.
But the 1911 has class and soul that the Glock never will have. My Glocks do see the range more, but my TRP gets the most respect.
I do hear a lot of people say that Glocks are inaccurate. In my own experience, I have found this to be false. The trigger, the sights, and the grip dont really help the Glock in the accuracy department, I can agree with that. I have managed to shoot 2" groups from a rest at 25 yards with my G17 with the right ammo. My G34 has printed 1.5" groups from a bench at the same distance. This really isnt a stretch, I have seen others report similar groups. Even at that, dont think they can hold a light to a well built and tuned 1911.
LeonCarr
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A 1911 is what you show your friends.
A Glock is what you show your enemies.
A Glock is what you show your enemies.
FIVETWOSEVEN
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The 1911 is what you show either as it is perfectly suitable for both.
The Glock is what you just show your enemies.
The Glock is what you just show your enemies.
Cop Bob
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Oh Geeze... get out the popcorn...
I have been shooting for over 5 decades... I spent 27 years of my life in the largest police department in the South.. Our officers carry pistols of their choice. Glocks and of course 1911's are on that list.. I worked for a time in an assignment where I received copies of all officer involved shooting reports, including AD's (accidental discharges)
I will tell you this, that 80% of ALL AD's involved Glocks... straight up.. no BS...
I own both Glocks and 1911's.. When I was scheduled to work marathon shifts that would involve lots of standing or walking.. I would carry one of my GLocks.. weight and comfort being the object, also dropping some of the extra gear off my belt. this was at the suggestion of my Orthopedic Surgeon, who was a shooter.. Hey it helped.. ALOT
As far as MY preference, if I knew I was going into a hi-risk situation, Narcotic search warrant etc.. I would carry three or four pistols. 1911's and revolvers.. why, ! because it is often quicker to grab another gun than it is to reload, at #2, it was going to work. Thank God, I never had to test that theory, but there were some in the Narcotic's unit that had.. I went with the advise of the veterans..
The Glock has one, and only one simple safety. The plastic bar/lever in the trigger that disengages the disconnect.. only thing to save you from an AD is keeping your finger off the trigger.. period.
The 1911, has FOUR.. 1. Grip Safety.. 2, half cock tang on the hammer to catch the hammer if it rolls off the sear accidentally, or in the event of a sear failure.. 3. the thumb safety that block the hammer and the sear. 4. the disconnect.. the trigger must be depressed for the hammer to pass the disconnect..
The 1911 has proven itself on EVERY battle field since 1911.. it is STILL in use today by many specialized military units.. it IS the go to handgun of choice for many professionals..
Glocks wont rust.... keep thinking that.. there was a thread posted hear a couple of months back that had pics of the guts of one rusted to pieces, the springs, and the metal parts on the inside that HAVE to be made of metal.. I'm not a Glock mechanic, so I can't tell you the disconnect from a bottle cap opener on a Glock. I have a close friend who is a Glock schooled Armorer, so I pass to him if I need to tech strip it.. besides it gives me a excuse to engage in a bit of fellowship with a great guy..
All other previous posts as to why, apply as well.. I really like the Tupperware reference, I may have to borrow that one...
Glocks have their place.. But for me, it is the 1911.. Don't care who's Colt, Springfield, Kimber.. any of a dozen others.. all good, or can be made good.. (in my opinion
But then again, It is why Baskin and Robbins carries 31 Flavors of Ice Cream, and Burger King made a fortune off of, "You can have it your way." Simply a matter of choice...
By the way, I made a chance deal of a few Springfield XD's, after playing with them... my Glocks have been parked.... Now, if I'm going plastic, its the Springfields
I have been shooting for over 5 decades... I spent 27 years of my life in the largest police department in the South.. Our officers carry pistols of their choice. Glocks and of course 1911's are on that list.. I worked for a time in an assignment where I received copies of all officer involved shooting reports, including AD's (accidental discharges)
I will tell you this, that 80% of ALL AD's involved Glocks... straight up.. no BS...
I own both Glocks and 1911's.. When I was scheduled to work marathon shifts that would involve lots of standing or walking.. I would carry one of my GLocks.. weight and comfort being the object, also dropping some of the extra gear off my belt. this was at the suggestion of my Orthopedic Surgeon, who was a shooter.. Hey it helped.. ALOT
As far as MY preference, if I knew I was going into a hi-risk situation, Narcotic search warrant etc.. I would carry three or four pistols. 1911's and revolvers.. why, ! because it is often quicker to grab another gun than it is to reload, at #2, it was going to work. Thank God, I never had to test that theory, but there were some in the Narcotic's unit that had.. I went with the advise of the veterans..
The Glock has one, and only one simple safety. The plastic bar/lever in the trigger that disengages the disconnect.. only thing to save you from an AD is keeping your finger off the trigger.. period.
The 1911, has FOUR.. 1. Grip Safety.. 2, half cock tang on the hammer to catch the hammer if it rolls off the sear accidentally, or in the event of a sear failure.. 3. the thumb safety that block the hammer and the sear. 4. the disconnect.. the trigger must be depressed for the hammer to pass the disconnect..
The 1911 has proven itself on EVERY battle field since 1911.. it is STILL in use today by many specialized military units.. it IS the go to handgun of choice for many professionals..
Glocks wont rust.... keep thinking that.. there was a thread posted hear a couple of months back that had pics of the guts of one rusted to pieces, the springs, and the metal parts on the inside that HAVE to be made of metal.. I'm not a Glock mechanic, so I can't tell you the disconnect from a bottle cap opener on a Glock. I have a close friend who is a Glock schooled Armorer, so I pass to him if I need to tech strip it.. besides it gives me a excuse to engage in a bit of fellowship with a great guy..
All other previous posts as to why, apply as well.. I really like the Tupperware reference, I may have to borrow that one...
Glocks have their place.. But for me, it is the 1911.. Don't care who's Colt, Springfield, Kimber.. any of a dozen others.. all good, or can be made good.. (in my opinion
But then again, It is why Baskin and Robbins carries 31 Flavors of Ice Cream, and Burger King made a fortune off of, "You can have it your way." Simply a matter of choice...
By the way, I made a chance deal of a few Springfield XD's, after playing with them... my Glocks have been parked.... Now, if I'm going plastic, its the Springfields
Autolycus
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I prefer the Glock myself. However there is nothing wrong with the 1911 platform.
Too_Pure
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chains1240
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I am not as seasoned as some of the other guys on this forum. I shot a Glock in the academy and got a perfect day and night qualifying score. Unfortunately, I had to shoot 2-3 inches to the right to hit dead on. With my 1911 I hit dead on where I aim. If I could shoot the glock better I would definitely prefer it in a high risk environment, a G17 for that matter. I bought my 1911 for a court/training gun/graduation present. Both have their place for me. Both are fantastic.
They are two different things. This never ending need to place one ahead of the other is something I don't understand. Glocks are tools. They work. I haven't seen them rust, or fail. They're light, reliable, shoot all kinds of ammo, and carry very well. 1911's are works of art. What woman is better looking, Miss July, or your mother?
Skylerbone
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Every day when they clock in. In reality their's is a thankless job as is evident by the number of snips taken at them throughout this post. They are paid to engage customers, assist and sell. As with any sales position there are good and bad salespeople and the OP pointed out an example of the latter. What has split the thread is the voracity of the members and our desire to promote our preferred platform based on the merits of each. That was hinted at by the OP who took offense with the employee's statement (though he chose THR in not rebuking him) but the heart of the question was how to respond to such unsolicited "advice".
Best I can muster in all honesty this time, handle it graciously. Any subject that invites an arguement rather than discussion will deteriorate rapidly and won't likely end amicably. I think that's what the Mods have taught me here, not to bang my own head against the wall.
Lubricant
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Think I got a handle on this.1911s are for folks who have a complete set of tools in the garage.Glocks are for folks who keep a small hammer,a pair of pliers,and a standard screwdriver[bent],in the kitchen drawer.1911s are for folks who change their own oil,brakepads,drivebelts,and sparkplugs.Glocks are for folks who change their own apps on their I phones.1911s are for people who love to take things apart,figure out how they work,and then figure out how to make them work better.Glocks are for people who like to...ummm....aaa.Hell,I don't know,They're perfect,are'nt they?
beatledog7
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Probably no value added here, but my $.02.
First, a disclaimer: I don't own a 1911. I own and sometimes carry a Glock. At other times I carry a revolver. I'm proficient with both. Both are insanely reliable and easy to maintain. Both will stop an assailant when properly employed.
A 1911 was the first pistol I qualified on in the Navy (Sharpshooter on the first try), and I later did the same thing with an M9. However, both have malfunctioned on me during qual runs. Not fun. Granted, these were armory issue guns and not properly tuned, but so would probably be the one I would have been asked to wield in combat.
That said, I'll someday purchase a 1911, just because they're classic and beautiful and I want one. It'll be a full-size model in .45 ACP, probably one with thousands of rounds through it and some "character" aesthetics. I'll practice with it and become proficient. I'll clean it once in a while or when it malfunctions. I'll acquire a couple of extra mags to save time at the range. I might even tune it.
But I'll still regularly carry a Glock or a revolver.
First, a disclaimer: I don't own a 1911. I own and sometimes carry a Glock. At other times I carry a revolver. I'm proficient with both. Both are insanely reliable and easy to maintain. Both will stop an assailant when properly employed.
A 1911 was the first pistol I qualified on in the Navy (Sharpshooter on the first try), and I later did the same thing with an M9. However, both have malfunctioned on me during qual runs. Not fun. Granted, these were armory issue guns and not properly tuned, but so would probably be the one I would have been asked to wield in combat.
That said, I'll someday purchase a 1911, just because they're classic and beautiful and I want one. It'll be a full-size model in .45 ACP, probably one with thousands of rounds through it and some "character" aesthetics. I'll practice with it and become proficient. I'll clean it once in a while or when it malfunctions. I'll acquire a couple of extra mags to save time at the range. I might even tune it.
But I'll still regularly carry a Glock or a revolver.
FIVETWOSEVEN
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Cheap mass produced and yet is the most popular pistol for civilian shooters.
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"The 1911 has proven itself on EVERY battle field since 1911.. it is STILL in use today by many specialized military units.. it IS the go to handgun of choice for many professionals." (see Mil & LEO exceptions below)
"Cheap mass produced and yet is the most popular pistol for civilian shooters."
1911-2011 the CIVILIAN SHOOTERS have bought a whole lot fewer 1911-&-clones than the close to 7,000,000 Glock-types sold to the same civilian crowd, in ±25-years. This does NOT include pieces sold to Mil or LEO. "most popular?" You need to get out more. But, really, the 1911-&-clones are much more "plastic" than is polymer; BING.com : "of or relating to the permanent deformation of a solid (Glock polymer begins life as a liquid) without fracture by the temporary application of force; exhibiting adaptability to change or variety of the environment."(Read: customization.) Old Slabsides is a LOT more fun to watch being forged, milled, sliced, cut, et al, and SHOT than a Glock black-banana getting squirted in the jig.
1911-platform: decrepit styles for decrepit brains. (even zombies won't eat 'em.)
"The 1911 has proven itself on EVERY battle field since 1911.. it is STILL in use today by many specialized military units.. it IS the go to handgun of choice for many professionals." (see Mil & LEO exceptions below)
"Cheap mass produced and yet is the most popular pistol for civilian shooters."
1911-2011 the CIVILIAN SHOOTERS have bought a whole lot fewer 1911-&-clones than the close to 7,000,000 Glock-types sold to the same civilian crowd, in ±25-years. This does NOT include pieces sold to Mil or LEO. "most popular?" You need to get out more. But, really, the 1911-&-clones are much more "plastic" than is polymer; BING.com : "of or relating to the permanent deformation of a solid (Glock polymer begins life as a liquid) without fracture by the temporary application of force; exhibiting adaptability to change or variety of the environment."(Read: customization.) Old Slabsides is a LOT more fun to watch being forged, milled, sliced, cut, et al, and SHOT than a Glock black-banana getting squirted in the jig.
1911-platform: decrepit styles for decrepit brains. (even zombies won't eat 'em.)
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It was too much of a hassle for the military to rebuild all of the clapped-out 1911s that had been serving magnificently for 50 or 60 years...and they wanted to switch over to the NATO standard round.
Yeah, just sounds like a total loser of a pistol to me based on that.
paddling_man
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Back to the OP, "Kid... I believe in using the right amount of force for each unique application and you can't properly pistol whip a punk with a plastic gun." 
If that fails, refer them to the other thread posted today where the guy woke up to find his rottie had chewed apart all but the slide & magazine of this Glock 36 the night before.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=608888&page=2
If that fails, refer them to the other thread posted today where the guy woke up to find his rottie had chewed apart all but the slide & magazine of this Glock 36 the night before.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=608888&page=2
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The military was very pleased with the 1911 after WW-II, but here was a big push to go to 9mm at that time. MANY in the military at that time considered it the better round. There were many tests at that time and while the 45 did a lot of things well it came up short on penetration through heavy winter clothes compared to the 9mm. The 45's were bouncing off the steel GI helmets of the time while 9mm rounds zipped right through at considerable ranges. The mag capacity was a huge consideration at the time as it is today.
Who really knows why, but the idea was scrapped and the 45 1911 was kept.
Skylerbone
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Wait till the little lass finds out the 1911 can be had in 9mm. And 10mm. And 40 S&W. And 460 Rowland. And .38 Super. And .22 LR. And .451 Detonics. And .400 Cor Bon. And so on.
The 1911 can also be had in a high capacity, polymer frame and all. This isn't a caliber debate nor a platform debate in ernest. It deals with how to dispell ignorance in the form of unsolicited comments.
BTW, if you plan on believing everything you've read or heard be prepared to have your arguements challenged. There are more Timex watches in the world than Rolex will ever make, it does not make the Timex more desirable, reliable or useful, merely more plentiful. Our military brass may have chosen 9mm (thanks NATO) but they also chose a non-polymer platform for it.
The 1911 can also be had in a high capacity, polymer frame and all. This isn't a caliber debate nor a platform debate in ernest. It deals with how to dispell ignorance in the form of unsolicited comments.
BTW, if you plan on believing everything you've read or heard be prepared to have your arguements challenged. There are more Timex watches in the world than Rolex will ever make, it does not make the Timex more desirable, reliable or useful, merely more plentiful. Our military brass may have chosen 9mm (thanks NATO) but they also chose a non-polymer platform for it.
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