SwampWolf
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Nobody said that but if locks don't count for something, why lock the doors of a jewelry shop or a grocery store after you close? Most business establishments have glass windows after all.
Truck gun? Yes or no
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Nobody said that but if locks don't count for something, why lock the doors of a jewelry shop or a grocery store after you close? Most business establishments have glass windows after all.
There are VOLUMES of instructional material on the internet about lockpicking. With a little practice and the right tools you would be amazed how quickly locks can be opened or bypassed. Auto door locks are probably one of the easiest. The locks used on lock boxes and lockers are a joke.
SwampWolf
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Let's see, if you're a crook and want to steal something from a car or a home, everything else being equal, would you prefer the doors to a victim's property be locked or unlocked? Would you want the windows open or shut? Would you rather open an unlocked door and take stuff or would you rather squat down in an obvious stealthy pose and spend time picking a lock (assuming you practiced the art and had the proper tools) of a locked door? Would you rather break a window (which is a noisy affair and apt to attract unwanted attention) or would you prefer to quietly reach in and steal whatever you're after?
Likewise, if you're a mentally deranged person, a rapist, a serial killer or just an evil monster who intends to inflict harm on an innocent family, would you rather be able to quietly access the home via an unlocked door or an open window to carry out your nefarious intentions or would you rather have to make a racket breaking down a door or smashing a window, alerting the victim of your presence, giving him/her time to arm themselves and dial 911?
All security measures are fraught with liabilities and limitations. If you had enough time, expertise and equipment, you could break into Fort Knox. Locking the doors and closing the windows of your car, home or business establishment just affords a minimal layer of security, but a layer nonetheless. Those who think it doesn't matter, you're free, of course, to let all of your property open and unlocked and an invitation to those who might want to steal your things or harm yourself or family. Me, I'm keeping my doors locked and my windows closed-at a bare minimum.
So it DOES matter where I live. But I won’t even give you that. Your assessment of criminal behavior is far from comprehensive of the United States and is most likely limit to certain locals you frequent and what news Chanel’s you follow. Go ahead and lock your doors, you probably should.
Ignition Override
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bluejeans: Our neighborhood is quite far from the hood. But the unique problem was partly because a dumb local allowed a girl from a different suburb to rent the neighborhood clubhouse for a Sweet 16 party.
The girls listed everything on >>social media<<. I have no idea who else gets to read that stuff.
**But true scumbag vultures also can notice these ads which have dumb young women involved. Maybe they can somehow search for them.
The thugs-unknown to everybody-approached the door and were told that they were Not invited. They said "We shuttin' this party down".
They wounded three teenagers with a handgun and also shot up the outside of the bldg. Nobody imagined that this could be possible in a very safe area which is almost rural.
Nobody was arrested, having made a quick getaway. The silence since it happened has been deafening.
The girls listed everything on >>social media<<. I have no idea who else gets to read that stuff.
**But true scumbag vultures also can notice these ads which have dumb young women involved. Maybe they can somehow search for them.
The thugs-unknown to everybody-approached the door and were told that they were Not invited. They said "We shuttin' this party down".
They wounded three teenagers with a handgun and also shot up the outside of the bldg. Nobody imagined that this could be possible in a very safe area which is almost rural.
Nobody was arrested, having made a quick getaway. The silence since it happened has been deafening.
Trunk Monkey
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You can't argue with people who know they're right
JR24
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Growing up in my low crime rural town I still knew guys in high school who would routinely hop in unlocked cars to raid for change or anything lying in the glove box or under the seat.
I am positive if they ran across a gun they would have taken it. And probably sold it to drug dealers since that was the who reason for rooting around for change/money/electronics.
I am positive if they ran across a gun they would have taken it. And probably sold it to drug dealers since that was the who reason for rooting around for change/money/electronics.
I think some of our definitions of rural vary wildly, that maybe part of the discrepancy here.
JR24
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I am certain of that. It does vary wildly across the country.
Trunk Monkey
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People usually find a way to justify their behavior
JR24
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Amusingly when I lived in the bush, AK I never locked my truck either. Partly because I was concerned about the locks freezing (it had happened to a friend) and partially because the neighbor would occasionally sleep in it when he got locked out of his house. We never discussed it, but i figured with the weather some shelter was better than none for him (I assume it was the neighbor, someone for sure would sleep in my truck occasionally).
I also never kept anything worth taking in the truck, naturally. We had plenty of, usually drunk, folks who would steal. One night some of them took my 1 up seat and windshield (of all things) from my snowmachine, yet didnt take the $900 otter sled and probably $500 worth of gas sitting in the sled, thankfully. It just seemed so random.
I also never kept anything worth taking in the truck, naturally. We had plenty of, usually drunk, folks who would steal. One night some of them took my 1 up seat and windshield (of all things) from my snowmachine, yet didnt take the $900 otter sled and probably $500 worth of gas sitting in the sled, thankfully. It just seemed so random.
Uncle Bill
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Crime's pretty low where I live, but precautions are necessary. Used to work in some very high crime areas of another state and learned to practice situational awareness. But since my state recognizes constitutional carry, it has a dampening effect on the criminal class. You never know who's packing. Truck guns: 1911 on my hip and an old model 94 Winchester behind the seat. Good enough.
And some folks have fallen victim to socialism and don’t even realize it.
I guess online I’m the odd man out, but in today’s society being the odd man out is the best place to be.
BSA1
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A lot of points and counterpoints.
My daily driver is a 1995 Ford Ranger. It is beat up with big dent in left front fender, rear wheel wells rusting through, faded paint, dented front bumper. Interior is getting in rough shape. Driver seat ripped, some of the dash lights no longer work. I brought it in 1996 and have driven over 300,000 miles in it.
Over the past 22+ years it has been broke into twice, this last time was two years ago while at work (I work in a big city.) Someone popped the lock and crudely tired to start it by twisting the ignition switch with pliers twisting the lock off. Even though I had valuable items in it nothing was taken. The thief only wanted to steal my truck.
When I reported the incident to the Police I expressed amazement that someone would want to steal a beat up truck like mine. After all the main reason I keep driving this truck is to make it a unattractive target for theft & being broke into. The Officer explained that old vehicles are being stolen and being taken to Kansas City were they are being sold for scrap.
Fortunately I had quit keeping a surplus P64 in it. Had the thief been successful it would have ended up on the streets in Kansas City.
Actually in most vehicle thefts concealment is equally, if not more important. Vehicle and content thefts are quick crimes. It only takes a minute or two to steal the radio (plastic dash boards make it easy) and riffle through the glove boxes. I used to have a big Ford diesel where it was relatively easy to hide a gun in the back of the cab. My Chevy does not allow it.
I plan on driving my little truck for a long time yet but when it comes time to replace it I am going to make sure that there is either a secure storage compartment or a way to build one in my next vehicle. While I will not have immediate access to it events have convinced me that a firearm is needed more outside of my home than inside. While Kansas guns laws are very good there are still businesses that do not allow carry in them so storage inside my truck is a must or simply not carrying that day when I know I am going to such a business such as the Doctors Office.
For those that say they never leave their gun in their vehicle I am curious how they get around gun free businesses. Well actually I don't want a answer as I don't want people posting how they break the law.
My daily driver is a 1995 Ford Ranger. It is beat up with big dent in left front fender, rear wheel wells rusting through, faded paint, dented front bumper. Interior is getting in rough shape. Driver seat ripped, some of the dash lights no longer work. I brought it in 1996 and have driven over 300,000 miles in it.
Over the past 22+ years it has been broke into twice, this last time was two years ago while at work (I work in a big city.) Someone popped the lock and crudely tired to start it by twisting the ignition switch with pliers twisting the lock off. Even though I had valuable items in it nothing was taken. The thief only wanted to steal my truck.
When I reported the incident to the Police I expressed amazement that someone would want to steal a beat up truck like mine. After all the main reason I keep driving this truck is to make it a unattractive target for theft & being broke into. The Officer explained that old vehicles are being stolen and being taken to Kansas City were they are being sold for scrap.
Fortunately I had quit keeping a surplus P64 in it. Had the thief been successful it would have ended up on the streets in Kansas City.
Actually in most vehicle thefts concealment is equally, if not more important. Vehicle and content thefts are quick crimes. It only takes a minute or two to steal the radio (plastic dash boards make it easy) and riffle through the glove boxes. I used to have a big Ford diesel where it was relatively easy to hide a gun in the back of the cab. My Chevy does not allow it.
I plan on driving my little truck for a long time yet but when it comes time to replace it I am going to make sure that there is either a secure storage compartment or a way to build one in my next vehicle. While I will not have immediate access to it events have convinced me that a firearm is needed more outside of my home than inside. While Kansas guns laws are very good there are still businesses that do not allow carry in them so storage inside my truck is a must or simply not carrying that day when I know I am going to such a business such as the Doctors Office.
For those that say they never leave their gun in their vehicle I am curious how they get around gun free businesses. Well actually I don't want a answer as I don't want people posting how they break the law.
JR24
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I think many of arguments have been against a permanent or chronic vehicle based gun.
I dont keep one in my truck full time due to worry of it being stolen (which happened to an ex LEO acquaintance of mine a few years back, he still complains about not being able to replace a .22 revolver that was taken) but yes, on the rare occasions where I cannot carry into a building I will leave my CCW locked in the vehicle.
Both of my vehicles have lockable compartments that I leave the gun in. I try to park in monitored or well trafficked areas on the lot and keep my doors locked. Might still get stolen, sure, but at least it wont be easy.
Actually it's MUCH easier than you would seem to believe. My feelings are if ANY place I go will not allow me to carry then they should be required to provide a place to lock it up right where the armed security guards are sitting. If they are not willing to do that then it's THEIR problem - not mine. I did not make up that rule and no one asked me if it was OK before they did it or if I mind giving up my Constitutional right just so they "feel safe". And if some creep steals it from my vehicle while I was in their building - it's THEIR responsibility and THEY should be held liable. I "get it" that many people today are terrified of guns - again not my problem. They should porbably undergo psychiatric counseling for that instead of telling me I must leave my gun in my truck. It's just like telling me that I can not have a dog because they're afraid of dogs. I don't like crooked politicians but I'm pretty sure they will never pass a law banning crooked politicians.
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Poper
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Well, last time I was stopped by a cop:
Cop: "Is there a gun in the car?"
Me: "Well, we are in Arizona. Of course, there is a gun in the car."
Cop: "Where abouts is it located?"
Me: "On the floor in front of the driver's seat."
Cop: "Tell you what. I won't reach for mine if you don't reach for yours."
Me: "Deal!"
Since Arizona enacted constitutional carry, it is generally assumed there is a gun close by at all times. By cops and citizens alike.
I like it that way.
If, after 7 pages you don't have some kind of answer, I don't think you'll find one.
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