What do you do if your wife or girlfriend simply rolls her eyes at your advice?

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In the case of my wife she 'listens' to how I say it, not what I say. And, I'm not talking about just shooting. We have a business together and my asking, "Did Mr. Jones come pay his invoice?" is in her mind often NOT the request for information that I intended, but some kind of condemnation for her not having collected from Mr. Jones.

danprkr, you sound like you're quoting directly from one of Tannnen's books!! She says that women are more about "subtext" than "text" -- which is exactly the case in your example above. I had forgotten that! Thanks for the reminder :)

If a man gives unasked-for advice to his wife or girlfriend, the text is "assistance" but the subtext may be interpreted as "criticisism."

When women understand a man's use of "text" and men understand women's use of "subtext" it makes life a lot easier. I know that after I read Tannen's books I had a lot fewer arguments with my husband. I was able to focus on the "text" and ignore my instinct to look at the subtext (which, of course, never entered his head).

I'm re-recommending the books I mentioned above:
Deborah Tannen's "That's Not What I Meant" and "You Just Don't Understand."
 
An instructor friend of mine told me once "you NEVER try and train your wife..." He was right, and he did a great job training her.
 
Wife Won't Listen?

Been there, done that, etc.

I sense an unwritten 'woman law' requiring women to ignore their husband. They have this idea all men are Homer Simpson and are at the core, ignorant losers. I have a theory it is the result of feminism and modern television writers; but that's another discussion.

The only thing you can do is to send to someone else. Preferably someone you trust, but you can't let your wife know that.
 
I love my women-only classes. They listen, do as they're told and pass the tests with flying colors.

The biggest problems we have are teaching them to forget everything their boyfriend/husband told them and the guns their boyfriend/husband decided were suitable.

The truth is that unless husband/boyfriend has about 100 hours of training he probably has about 20 bad habits. He also probably isn't that good a shot and she's seen him shoot.

Then they have the unmitigated gall to choose the gun she should shoot. What is worse is it is usually something boyfriend/husband wants, but won't buy for himself. I've seen everything from NAA .22 revolvers to .44 Mags as "the best gun" for the girlfriend/wife.

We teach three women-only classes. We offer "Cleaning your gun," "Basic pistol," and "CWP." They are all a joy to teach.

Very little is more discouraging than a room full of men for a CWP class. It is a room full of arrogant know-it-alls. If there is one decent shooter in the class it is a surprise.

Unfortunately, we have too many men-only classes because of our offerings for women-only. The women are more comfortable in a non-competitive, learning atmosphere. Add a single male shooter to the mix and it becomes competitive.

Perhaps a part of why I do well teaching women is that I am old enough to be a father or grandfather type. But, I only criticize on safety issues. Aside from that I give tips on how to improve what they are already doing well.

That said, you can teach your wife to shoot. About 10 years ago I topped 500 hours of training and about seven years ago I got married. The first time I took the wife out to shoot we took about 10 handguns. She shot them all and when she was done I asked which ones she would like to shoot again.

She picked three. So the next trip to the range we took another 10 that were kind of like the ones she liked. We narrowed it down to three again.

But, by now she had shot 17 guns with about 20 to 40 rounds each. My only advice was to shoot what felt good and what she was most accurate with.

Then it was a matter of experimenting. "Let's both shoot this gun and see how we both do with it."

She has a few she prefers, but she can shoot them all and do it well enough to be reliable backup.

I've never mentioned stance. I've stressed grip and sight picture. She shoots from a Weaver stance, but doesn't know it - who cares?

This ain't rocket science. The biggest problem to teaching the girlfriend/wife to shoot is the ego of the teacher.

When it comes to teaching it doesn't matter if I am the best shot in the room. What matters is who is the best teacher.

Boyfriends/husbands are usually lousy teachers.

I'll toss in another thought, too. I can count the number of good shots I've known in my life on my fingers. They include three Olympic Gold Medal winners, one Camp Perry record-setter, four combat sport world champions and two undercover officers.

Everyone else is just someone who happens to own a gun.
 
inSight-NEO said:
My wife wants to get her CCL this weekend, maybe, and for the past day or so I have been trying to give her various tips on stance, aiming (with both eyes open), proper weapon handling, various ways of carrying, etc. Yet, she either seems put out or quite bored with what I have to say regarding this stuff.

Now, she is headstrong and stubborn, but I would think she could at least acknowledge that I know more about this stuff than she does and that she could actually somewhat benefit from my advice. Alas....this is not the case for now.

So, how would you approach such a situation? If you have had similar resistance, how did you go about "getting through" to your woman?

It sounds like you have a normal relationship with a woman.

I would hire an instructor to teach her. Trying to school, lecture or otherwise educate my significant other has never worked for me, ever, even if it's a topic on which I'm respected professionally.

If you can't resist the urge to educate her, you should probably stick to one-liners and/or make the education fun somehow.
 
Just be thankful that your wife is interested in getting a CCW. I wish I could get mine interested! All I can say is listen to Trebor and loop. They seem to know what's what.
 
So why do you want her to get the permit?

She does not want the permit, woman do not have the "killer" instinct men do but t he 'protective' nature.

If you did force or shame, belittle or whatever, her into getting this permit, do you think she will use or better yet desire to train to use the weapon?

All the weapon in the world aint worth spit if the user does not know how or does not desire to know how, or just does not desire to use said weapon. She could be packin' a small arsenal but if she isn't in the frame of mind to use... then it's moot.

Besides, toting a pistolie is the very last thing in a defensive situation.
Try teaching her to be aware of her surroundings so as to keep her out of trouble, instead of enforcing the idea of getting out of trouble once your in it.

Well... good luck, with each passing year of your relationship with this wonderful woman, you'll come to realize that she is..... ALWAYS Right!

hehehehe... the quicker you learn this.... the better off you will be.

:D
 
What do you do if your wife or girlfriend simply rolls her eyes at your advice?
You must be a newly wed or totally don't understand women. Stop trying to give her advice if you want your marriage to last. Listen to her when she speaks, just listen, that will already put more points in your favor. If she asks you what you think, take a Twix moment and say, "I don't know why such a wonderful person like you picked me to be your husband but I am so greatful and I love you so much. Let me take you out to dinner." Stop thinking like a man when you are dealing with a woman.

I sense an unwritten 'woman law' requiring women to ignore their husband. They have this idea all men are Homer Simpson and are at the core, ignorant losers. I have a theory it is the result of feminism and modern television writers; but that's another discussion.

Statistically, you're not her husband because she loves and respects you, but because the one she loves and respects got away. You and almost everyone else is numba two chahly.
 
george29: Statistically, you're not her husband because she loves and respects you, but because the one she loves and respects got away. You and almost everyone else is numba two chahly.

Oh, that's harsh. I just read it to LOML and she strongly disagreed. She says she'd rather be alone than be married to a man she didn't love and respect. I believe her, because she's headstrong too.

Parker
 
Statistically, you're not her husband because she loves and respects you, but because the one she loves and respects got away. You and almost everyone else is numba two chahly.

LOL

Your marriage must suck. Sorry to hear it.
 
To repeat good advice given here many times: hire someone to teach her. BTDT, got the Tee shirt. The goal was to have her trained and comfortable, not for ME to be her instructor. She enjoyed the basic defensive pistol class, decided to get her CHL right after that. Big win all around. Now she asks for help sometimes, but would not when she was completely untrained. Go figure.

Steve
 
I agree with mgkdrgn. I have dealt with some students like this, they dont want to be told how to do something because the think they already know, and they look at it as they are being brought down or dumb. Not saying that I know everything, but when you are the teacher , you teach what you are there to teach.

I would just quit trying to help her. If what you are telling her is just passing right through, then it isnt worth your breath. Maybe when she realizes that she does actually need help , she will seek it. Or like stated above, have someone else teach her, that seems to be the best advice around.
 
I was quoting Chris Rock

But do you really think your wife is going to tell you the truth to your face? Men will never understand women, especially the ones that think they do. My marriages always sucked yes, but so have many of my unaware friends that didn't really know their old lady like they thought they did. I woke up when my downstairs neighbor with the sweetest, kindest, most loving wife and mother you ever met went orgasm crazy with her lover when her hubby was out of town, I know this because my BR was on top of hers and in 5 years never heard screaming like that night. I asked her the next day if X was home and she said "No, he"ll be back by the weekend." I have other proof included recorded, long since destroyed, I decided my friends ignorance was his bliss and they are still happily married 25 years later. Everybody know's their spouse, yeah right dreamers. Are there good marriages, of course, my friend is in one even if he is ignorant to his wifes other persona.
Back to the question, the answer is, do you really need the aggravation in teaching your wife anything? When she tries to give directions, don't most of us men ignore them and get lost ourselves? Most intelligent women don't even try telling their husbands directions, they already know it's a lost cause.
 
My wife and I used to go bike riding on the Encampment Loop in Yorktown National Park. I bought her a bike helmet and we had a big argument about her using it. The first day she wore it, as she crossed a little stream running across the road, she touched the brakes, and down she went. She fell sideways, and her head hit the concrete with a THWAK!

My wife is a Registered Nurse, and works in nursing homes -- and has had patients with closed head injuries. She said as she went down, she knew she was going to wind up a vegetable. But other than a scratch here and a bruise there, the helmet prevented any damage.

Another time, we were hiking through the woods and met some thoroughly disreputable types who were harassing hikers. She looked sideways at me and said, "You do have your gun, don't you?

When I talk about guns, helmets, and such like things, my wife has learned to listen to me.
 
A unique woman, you are blessed indeed (so am I for not getting involved anymore :D)
 
Question What do you do if your wife or girlfriend simply rolls her eyes at your advice?
My wife wants to get her CCL this weekend, maybe, and for the past day or so I have been trying to give her various tips on stance, aiming (with both eyes open), proper weapon handling, various ways of carrying, etc. Yet, she either seems put out or quite bored with what I have to say regarding this stuff.

Now, she is headstrong and stubborn, but I would think she could at least acknowledge that I know more about this stuff than she does and that she could actually somewhat benefit from my advice. Alas....this is not the case for now.

So, how would you approach such a situation? If you have had similar resistance, how did you go about "getting through" to your woman?

Best bet is to just close your yap and let her go take the class/course and see what happens. She'll either pass it or not.

Either way, it'll be on her head and not yours.
( You don't really think you'll ever hear the end of it if she listens to you, then fails the course anyway, do you? )

P.S. I'm assuming where you live is like TN, and you have to take and pass a carry permit course, before the state will issue a permit.

J.C.
 
Just get ready to tell her "I told you so"
A lot of people don't want unsolicited advice and want to make mistakes on their own...more power to them!
 
What do you do if your wife or girlfriend simply rolls her eyes at your advice?


If it is your wife, you are doomed.

If it is a GF, get another one. Plenty of good ones around, no shortage.

I had a wife like that once. Now I have a wife who respects me as I respect her.
Considering how much trouble and money is involved in starting or ending a marriage, I am amazed that anyone settles for a partner who does not respect them.
 
I demonstrated my above average ability to ride a motorcycle and shoot a gun to my wife without strutin' like a peacock. I just let her see what I could do.

When it came time to her training she asked me if I would show her both skills.

I never appeared to be the king. I just suggested that what I showed her was a good way of doing things. I explained carefully that it was easy to break into bad habits and told her I would look out for them in her if I saw any.

A lot of positive encouragement and soft talking and I think I did a pretty good job.

When she messed up, I merely suggested she try another way and carefully explained the mistake.

I told her these things were more important to know than almost anything else she would learn. Bike riding properly saves her life, gun knowledge possibly saves others.

So far so good.
 
So, I'll put on my flame proof underwear before you read this. :rolleyes: And its not directed at anyone at all. Right or wrong, its just a story.
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(And this first part isn't me, obviously, but I know her pretty well :uhoh: :D)

I grew up in the reloading room, and I've never been intimidated by any guy. I reload, cast bullets and shoot both pistol and rifle, but I've definitely run into a number of jerks and male egos when it comes to firearms. The worst was when I began moderating the Basics (reloading and bullet casting ) Forum on AW a long time ago.
I had to earn basic respect with knowledge, being really polite and patting some heads, or stroking egos, no? I hated it, but I got over it and after a time most of the guys would defend me if some newbee figured out I was a girl and was snide or mean. After that I really liked what I was doing and I learned a lot too.
There's a definite difference with guys and firearms. My Dad wrote a thingie for me that I posted on a board where there were a lot of really super macho young guys, and a place I really didn't belong. I left without a word and nobody missed me. Its a story about a couple, a guy and his wife.
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*She agreed with him that it was time that she learned about pistols, which one to buy and how to shoot and carry it. He was very anxious to teach and advise her, but she also suspected that the boards where he hung out were filled with young men who were more excited about the most Ultra-Tactical-Extreme firearms and equipment than practical knowledge. And she was possibly right.

A lady working at a local gun shop directed her to a self defense instructor who spent time with her determining her intent and her determination to follow through with proper introduction and instruction. She began a series of classes involving the legal ramifications of carrying and mental preparedness.
She reached the point of live-fire and decision making on the caliber and type of pistol that suited her. After shooting a number of pistols, she settled on a .38 caliber snub nosed revolver that handled +P loads, and from there she showed up at the indoor range three times a week for practical instruction.
She learned correct reflex and point of vision defensive shooting. She did everything she could to secure her own safety. She decided on two methods of carrying, one being a behind the hip holster under her jacket and the second being a specialized purse type with a quick acess.

Once proficient, she continued to visit the range once a week in the evenings for practical defensive shooting and made a few Lady friends in the mix. She considered herself as responsible as she could reasonably be. She applied for and obtained her carry permit.

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He had a difficult time hiding his disappointment at her choice of pistols. He had a custom .45 with two accessory rails on it. He had only been to a range twice with his rifle, but he practiced his quick draw at home and read and posted frequently on his forums, the subjects of which he had little or no knowledge other than that given to him by his forum peers, and the advice was plentiful.
He had an AR that had every whistle and bell he could conceivably find, National Match iron sights, a Red Dot system, bipod, fore-handle and a drag bag. The collapsible buttstock was an expensive adjustable type, but no expense should be spared when it came to self defense.
He was an avid reader of every post involving defense, confrontation and situation control. He read everything he could as concerns potential interaction with the bad guys. His imagination ran wild with the possibility of saving a friend, neighbor or even unknown persons in danger.
His forum knowledge eventually inspired him to take an active part in these scenario discussions. He loved reading about real or imagined "I was forced to draw my weapon last night" posts. He contributed to the board and read everything available on preparedness, quick responses and the zero tolerance for bad guys stance taken by his board buddies.
He bought the appropriate "bug out" gear and clothing. He asked about and read everything possible on self defense and reflex shooting on the board. He even asked his wife if she had any idea what "reflex shooting" was and how important it could be to her. (Apparently he'd not paid much attention to his wife's training) He was willing to teach her, but she declined without explanation.

Within a number of months he considered himself prepared. He had all of the necessary and unnecessary firearms, accoutrements and gear. He was prepared. Now all he had to do was wait. Wait for it to happen. His bravado on the board grew, and he was prepared. His posts took on the air of an experienced self defense expert, and none really questioned him. Why would they? Weren't they all from the same school? They were all prepared. Nothing to do now but remain vigilant and and wait. Wait for a chance to use their hard won knowledge.


Ok, Punkin'. You won't have to think too hard about this one. Who is prepared?
 
I will say this based on what I have seen and based on a LOT of what has been posted here. Wives/girlfriends don't listen to husbands/boyfriends when it comes to matters such as this, in many cases, because the men are not treating the women as equals. The treat them in a belittling fashion as obstenate children and the women take it as disrespectful and hence aren't going to learn as much as they would otherwise from someone being respectful.

The OP is classic.

My wife wants to get her CCL this weekend, maybe, and for the past day or so I have been trying to give her various tips on stance, aiming (with both eyes open), proper weapon handling, various ways of carrying, etc. Yet, she either seems put out or quite bored with what I have to say regarding this stuff.

So we have a guy trying to force instruction on his wife, supposedly under the guise of helping her improve, only she apparently hasn't asked for the advice and he isn't taking the hint that she doesn't want it. However, he sees the problem as being with her. Why? Because he is obviously the expert in the matter and she isn't bucking up to the program and admitting to his obviously superior skills and he actually says as much, putting all the blame on her along the way...

Now, she is headstrong and stubborn, but I would think she could at least acknowledge that I know more about this stuff than she does and that she could actually somewhat benefit from my advice. Alas....this is not the case for now.

So apparently, the OP has suffered an afront from his wife because of the obstenance he perceives and the fact that she has the audacity to not massage his male ego regarding his shooting prowess.

Wow. I certainly have no problem seeing why she isn't listening to him. Heck, I don't even know why she would go to the range with him.
 
Hey loop, at 22 years of age could you teach your girlfriend how to field strip your 1911, without ever touching the trigger or gripsafety, and also while maintaining very good control of the firearm so as not to elevate the bloodpressure of any bystanders.

Also, I bought her a keltec PF9 because she liked small pistols, but she wanted the keltec p32 instead. No problem, sold PF9 to acquaintance for price of p32 after tax, then taught her to detail strip it, and perform all necessary tasks required during use. (took about an hour of casual instruction and trial and error)


and she can actually do it, take it apart, put it back together even with that goofy transfer bar, can shoot it, clear it of any jam, and maintains the same kind of trigger discipline I do.

Of course, all I did was read off my own credo..

*Pick it up, don't touch trigger, locate the center of balance, figure out where is most stable to hold, and move on from there*

*Visually inspect and memorize the way it feels to put a round in the magazine, the way it feels to put the magazine into the magwell, special attention to where it locks and how much pressure you need to get there, how hard or easy it is to rack the slide, and inspect closely the mating of the slide and the cartridge be it a fixed extractor the cartridge slides into ala the 1911, or a springloaded locking mechanism supported by springloaded ball to allow for ejection ala the Browning BLR - it'll help you troubleshoot in the event of failure.*



After that, just keep mental track of each round you fire and notice if it was any different from the last one, it'll let you know if something went wrong, but it won't always be obvious.


Notice I didn't mention aiming, though.. She's a good shot, but not because I told her how to be. My goal is to nuke from orbit the prospect of fear. There is no reason to fear a firearm, but people are taught to fear responsibility.

When I teach, I leave out anything and everything anyone else might have ever said to anyone.. ever... No outside influence for anyone to call upon for guidance besides what I have to say. In my world, responsibility is neither fun nor unfun, much like breathing. Don't think about it, just do it. Once a person "owns" their firearm, and truly deserves the title of "owner" rather than "neglectful, ignorant possessor" , then it becomes a lot easier to fire well enough to notice the differences velocity, weight, shape, etc have on the point of impact.



I haven't had any close calls, or come close to having close calls. I really don't like it when a loaded and unlocked AR is aimed at me while the operator is adjusting his sling, y'know.. I don't do that crap when I adjust my sling..


I say all this because I've taught 3 newbie males and a newbie female with no background experience in firearms how to be professional with them, from maintenance to implementation and modification.


I do this because I need range buddies, but I don't want range buddies that at the very least embarrass me tremendously, or at the very worst, kill me or someone else, and most likely shoot the target hanger which costs an extra 30$. I want range buddies that I can cooperate with, and in some cases, win some money from, too. Nothing a freshly enlightened individual likes more than trying out his new, twice refined skills against the person who helped make that happen. mwuahaha
 
I would strongly suggest you take Larry's advice, along with others who have said the same, and take a class together. You don't know as much as you think you know. Guaranteed that if you go into a class willing to learn, you'll find out you've picked up some bad habits along the way and have room for improvement.

That said....

....I had no problem whatsoever with Archerandshooter helping me when I was first learning to shoot handguns. Why? Because the man treats me with respect and courtesy in every other aspect of our life and I know I can ask him to watch and see if I'm flinching, or watch and see why I'm having problems, and it's going to get that same sort of response.

I take feedback from men whom I know 1) know what they're talking about and 2) treat me with respect. Archerandshooter could have outshot me the day after his surgery, I expect; he's just that good at it. I'm not threatened by it, but neither does he try to "teach me to be as good as he is" either. There's a former sheriff's deputy over at Carter's who's a range officer...he regularly watches me shoot and rarely, but occasionally, offers advice. When he does, I listen every time. Same reason: he treats me with respect and, on good days when I'm really doing well, will stand behind me and watch me shoot just for the joy of watching a woman do well at the sport. If some doofus comes up to me and starts spouting off before he's even seen me pick up a gun (as happened recently over there, where it was obvious that he was sure the "little lady" needed some coaching), well....

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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