Why do people like certain calibers?

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If you browse these boards long enough, you will find plenty of evidence revolvers aren't any more dependable than an automatic.
I have to disagree with this one as well.
The opinions of internet forum members not withstanding, revolvers certainly are more reliable (on average) than autoloaders.

It's just the nature of the beast....

The revolver only has three factors that can cause a failure: the shooter, the gun, and the ammo.

But the autoloader has four factors that can cause a failure: the shooter, the gun, the ammo, and the magazine.
 
Crusty old bastard that I am, I say there are only 4 1/2 useful pistol cartridges:

1. .22 LR -- everyone needs a good .22 pistol, for practice, small game hunting and fun.

1 1/2. .38 Special -- A good snubbie in .38 Special is a great drop-it-in-the-pocket gun as you go out the door. You can get lightweight snubbies in .357, but you won't shoot them with full charge loads much.

2. .357 Magnum -- a great do it all cartridge.

3. .45 ACP -- a top notch defensive round if you like automatics, and it goes with the pistol designed for it, the M1911, like eggs go with ham.

4. .45 Colt. With "Ruger only" loads it will shade the .44 Mag, and even with standard SAAMI pressures will do about all you need to do for hunting and general outdoors use.

Vern, I've got to agree with you on all points except the 45lc. I'd take 44mag with "Ruger only" loads that take advantage of the extra chamber length (compared to S&W 44 mags). Other than that...spot on!
 
I have to disagree with this one as well.
The opinions of internet forum members not withstanding, revolvers certainly are more reliable (on average) than autoloaders.
I'm not talking about opinions. I'm talking about reported failures.

People report things like transfer bars breaking, grit or grains of powder under the ejector star, bullets jumping crimp, primers locking up the cylinder, and so on.
 
If you browse these boards long enough, you will find plenty of evidence revolvers aren't any more dependable than an automatic. But most stoppages with automatics can be cleared with a tap-rack-bang drill. Revolver stoppages usually take the gun out of action completely and cannot be quickly fixed.

I disagree that revolvers aren't more dependable than a semi-auto. What you consider an "Easy Fix" for a semi-auto is a complicated procedure for the person who has a gun at home for self defense and pulls it out and shoots it once or twice a year. When the time comes that they need it, there's a lot of things that can hinder them using it. The shooter can forget to chamber a round; forget to take the safety off. The gun can misfeed from the magazine or stove pipe during extraction or ejection. All of these things can be a problem for someone who's brain is racing; because they are scared; because their adrenaline and heart beat are racing. A revolver is simply point and click. The chances of a revolver having mechanical problems compared to the possibly no-shoot situations of a semi-auto aren't even comparable. The revolver is overwhelmingly more likely to fire when needed. It's simply POINT and CLICK.

And that is the scariest thing about self defense weapons. People who rarely if ever practice with the weapon. Shooting a gun; including fixing malfunctions; needs to be muscle memory. She can't be thinking about it. People can and do get into problems with semi-autos if they don't practice with it. For those people, a revolver is the RIGHT CHOICE. And those who have chosen a semi-auto because they believe that a 15 round magazine is essential, and that reloading the weapon faster is essential; are totally misguided.
 
I disagree that revolvers aren't more dependable than a semi-auto. What you consider an "Easy Fix" for a semi-auto is a complicated procedure for the person who has a gun at home for self defense and pulls it out and shoots it once or twice a year.
For a person who doesn't know which end the bullets come out of, any gun is undependable. But something like 99% of the people on this board have more knowledge and skill than that.

When the time comes that they need it, there's a lot of things that can hinder them using it.
Yeah, like forgetting to load that revolver, or having to use it in the darkness, or having a bad case of the shakes.

The fact is, revolvers have no reliability advantage over automatics.
 
People report things like transfer bars breaking, grit or grains of powder under the ejector star, bullets jumping crimp, primers locking up the cylinder, and so on.
Not to turn this thread in to a "revolver vs autoloader" argument, but I think that revolver failures reported here are greatly exaggerated, to say the least.

Yes, transfer bars can break, but it certainly doesn't happen very often.
Probably no more often than slide-stops or extractors breaking on autoloaders.

And when you talk about grit or grain under the ejector star, that's practically unheard of with a clean gun firing a cylinder full of rounds.
It typically occurs during a reload after the initial cylinder full have been shot, and even then it's rather rare, especially with the cleaner shooting ammo produced today.

Bullets jumping crimp....I've never seen that one happen with any production ammo.
And I've only seen it once in my 42 years with a handload.
Again, very rare.

High primers should never be a problem unless the guy who loaded the gun never took the time to inspect his ammo.
Not very likely at all.
After all, when you only got 5 or 6 bullets, you're not likely to let a bad one get pass.


Nearly all experienced autoloader shooters know exactly what you mean when you say "tap-rack-bang drill"....ever wonder why?
Because nearly every experienced autoloader shooter has had to perform this drill before.
 
The fact is, revolvers have no reliability advantage over automatics.
Well, you certainly can't have a "limp wrist" failure with a revolver, or a failure to feed, or a failure to eject, or a double feed. ;)
 
I'm almost entirely into guns for plinking and target shooting so my caliber choice is only slightly based on self defense. I originally picked 9mm simply because it is cheap and I could fire a lot of rounds without too much expense. The fact that I could get some pretty good SD ammo was a nice side benefit.

When I got into reloading earlier this year, I decided to buy a 357 revolver so I can use it 99 percent of the time with 38 Special for plinking but still load it up with some serious cartridges if I want to.

Now that I'm loading my own 38 Special I just traded my CZ 75B 9mm for a 22 rifle. I may end up with another 9mm at some point but I think I'll buy a 44 Mag revolver next. After that a nice 45 ACP semi is probably on the short list. I don't have much interest in 380 or 40 for some reason.

-Chris
 
Not to turn this thread in to a "revolver vs autoloader" argument, but I think that revolver failures reported here are greatly exaggerated, to say the least.
Exaggerated. how? Each report of a revolver failure is an independent event.
 
Now wait for someone to come up wth the obligatory, "Well, John M. Browning thought the .25 ACP would be an effective weapon."

No, JMB thought a vest-pocket automatic would sell.
 
My sister in law came to visit last month for my daughter's college graduation. She's from new jersey and never got to shoot a gun before. No problem, she wanted to shoot and we did. Of the handguns she shot, she didn't like the 45acp because the gun seemed too big for her. She's 4' 7". It didn't kick much, but she didn't like the feel of the gun. The 357 mag put her on her butt. 38 specials were ok, but she didn't like not being able to hold it with 1 hand. We tried others. The gun she was most comfortable with; and shot the area of a Paper Plate 25 for 25 at 10 yards, was my Walther 32acp. Not bad considering she's never held a gun in her life.

So, I guess smaller, lighter, etc... people shouldn't be allowed to shoot a gun or have one for self defense. If you can't handle at least a 9mm glock or a 38/357 revolver, you shouldn't be shooting. Well, I'd trust my little sister in law with the walther 32acp so much more than I would advising she get some 9mm or greater because "SOMEBODY" doesn't think a 380, 32, or 25acp can kill a person and protect you in self defense. After shooting with her for the day; where she didn't have any BAD HABITS that needed to be broken prior to learning; there is no doubt in my mind that she should have a 32acp. I'll take her and 7 for 7 dead on center with a 32auto than 2 for 15 for a glock 9mm that she can barely hold. When it comes to self defense (Carrying), there is no such thing as not enough gun. And you don't need 10,15,or 18 rounds either.
 
I have 22lr .32 acp.357 mag .and 40 sw. They all have a job to do.when the time comes.Ihope i am ready:D
 
So, I guess smaller, lighter, etc... people shouldn't be allowed to shoot a gun or have one for self defense. If you can't handle at least a 9mm glock or a 38/357 revolver, you shouldn't be shooting

You gave someone a rather limited selection of guns and calibers to shoot, and that person shot one of the weaker calibers best, so you feel that she should stick to that caliber and handgun rather than practice and get better with a more effective caliber handgun???

I hope you at least told her that the .32 is not likely to stop an attacker at the moment of the attack.
Yeah, he might bleed to death later in the ER, but that will probably be hours after he's done with her.

Most cops would probably shoot pistols in .22 and .32 better than they do pistols in 9mm, .40, and .45ACP, but they don't because they know that the chances of actually stopping an attacker quickly are greater with the larger calibers.

All handguns are a tradeoff of sorts, but IMO there's just no good reason to recommend a .22 or .32 as a self-defense caliber.
 
For us we have 9mm pistols and 22 pistols. It's not so much caliber loyalty as it's easier to look for ammo.
And personally I'll take my 19 round mag over a 6 shot revolver. There isn't a rule book to home invasions, they can bring as many of their "homies" as they want. So I'll bring as many rounds to the party as I can. I wouldn't want anybody feeling left out.
 
I won't go into what other people use, but here's why I like mine. Mostly I like the calibers because I like the pistols I have that are chambered in them.
9x18 Mak: I haven't yet encountered a 9x18 that wasn't perfect for concealed carry. Small, accurate, and reliable as the day is long.
.38 Super: Mine's a 1911. It's like a 1911 in 9mm, but better.
.45 Colt: Mine's a Ruger Blackhawk. Bought this as a result of watching too many westerns. Plus, since it's a Ruger, I can shoot anything from paper targets to bears with it. I know I could have done the same with a 44 magnum, but a 45 just has that ring to it. It's one bigger than a 44.
 
Ya gotta love these "urinating competitions"........... it's been done hundreds of times and it never seems to die.
*note: 99% of gunfights are over in less than 3 rounds.
 
Crusty old bastard that I am, I say there are only 4 1/2 useful pistol cartridges:

1. .22 LR -- everyone needs a good .22 pistol, for practice, small game hunting and fun.

1 1/2. .38 Special -- A good snubbie in .38 Special is a great drop-it-in-the-pocket gun as you go out the door. You can get lightweight snubbies in .357, but you won't shoot them with full charge loads much.

2. .357 Magnum -- a great do it all cartridge.

3. .45 ACP -- a top notch defensive round if you like automatics, and it goes with the pistol designed for it, the M1911, like eggs go with ham.

4. .45 Colt. With "Ruger only" loads it will shade the .44 Mag, and even with standard SAAMI pressures will do about all you need to do for hunting and general outdoors use.

Apparently I am one also because I agree with you! :D
 
Caliber loyalty. I don't know that I really have one. I know what I think is the best. I own a .45ACP, a 10mm w/ .40 S&W drop in barrel, 9mm, 22LR and I'm looking for a nice BDA .380. I would have never owned a 9mm but for the fact that the Browning Hi Power I wanted was a 9mm. It's my absolute favorite "feeling" gun. The .40 barrel was a move to keep shooting my Delta Gold Cup at a somewhat cheaper rate. The .45 is because I was given 5,000 cast slugs for it and I had dies already.
For serious social encounters I turn to my 10mm simply because I am so impressed with the ballistics of the round. IMO it is without a doubt the most versatile handgun round made. The reloading possiblities are endless.
Before the 10mm came out I confidently carried a 6" Colt Trooper MKIII .357. When I saw the ballistics of the 10mm, I had to have one. An added bonus was that it came in a Government Model.
Maybe I do have a caliber loyalty after all.
 
All handguns are a tradeoff of sorts, but IMO there's just no good reason to recommend a .22 or .32 as a self-defense caliber.

Extreme recoil sensitivity, often due to carpal tunnel syndrome or advanced arthritis. I do know people who find shooting all steel 9mm autos and/or 38 Special revolvers to be quite painful. And though you may not feel the pain in an emergency, it will certainly discourage practice.

My mother is one of those people. She does shoot her Hi Standard Citation in 22LR quite well, so that is the caliber she is best served by, at least for now. Better than a TV remote or bare hands.
 
2 1/4" Ruger SP 101 .357 Mag Ammo for Home Self Defense

My concern is not much about overpenetration and flash, but the deafening sound in a room or hallway. Which cartrage is good for indoor use with enough stopping power with this short barrel?
 
I have a Ruger SP101 in .357 mag. with 2 1/4" barrel. My concern is not much about overpenetration and flash, but the deafening sound in a room or hallway. Which cartrage is good for indoor use with enough stopping power with this short barrel?
 
2 1/4" Ruger SP 101 .357 Mag Ammo for Home Self Defense

My concern is not much about overpenetration and flash, but the deafening sound in a room or hallway. Which cartrage is good for indoor use with enough stopping power with this short barrel?
 
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