Would you trust your life with a 380.

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I did not shoot Kahr in my 380 test shoot. My actual test was running them through a USPSA stage setup on one of the match practice sessions where everyone brought their 380 pistols along with other caliber compacts.

I took my Russian Makarov 380/G26/G27/G30/P95 and although I was very proficient with the Makarov, it shot far short of G26. Some other 380 pistols did better, but in the end, G26 came up on top in terms of accuracy and speed.

Of course, this was just an informal comparison shoot but made me realize that I will perform better (and actually hit where I was aiming for under stress) with 9mm G26/40S&W G27 than any of the 380 I test fired, even with the Makarov I was well practiced with.

If you wonder and are curious, take your 380 out for a test comparison and shoot a real-life shooting scenario stage setup. Holes on target speak volumes.
 
I have in the past but do not now. I personally think that 380 auto is better than nothing but I prefer 9mm. I am not into carrying a micro gun, I own nothing smaller than a Kahr CW9 & S&W 642.

That said if that was all I had with the proper load I think I would be able to defend myself in a self defense situation. IMHO it is shot placement with any gun is key. That you hit and where you hit is more important than what you hit with.

That said I would not carry anything smaller than 380 auto.
 
I did not shoot Kahr in my 380 test shoot. My actual test was running them through a USPSA stage setup on one of the match practice sessions where everyone brought their 380 pistols along with other caliber compacts.

I took my Russian Makarov 380/G26/G27/G30/P95 and although I was very proficient with the Makarov, it shot far short of G26. Some other 380 pistols did better, but in the end, G26 came up on top in terms of accuracy and speed.

Of course, this was just an informal comparison shoot but made me realize that I will perform better (and actually hit where I was aiming for under stress) with 9mm G26/40S&W G27 than any of the 380 I test fired, even with the Makarov I was well practiced with.

If you wonder and are curious, take your 380 out for a test comparison and shoot a real-life shooting scenario stage setup. Holes on target speak volumes.

I know I shoot better with my M&P9c than the PF9 and I know I shoot my full size 92 better than the M&P. The problem is I cannot CCW my M&P in certain dress situations like at work where I have to wear a shirt and tie with no jacket.

Its all about compromise but if you give those little .380's some trigger time you get better with them.
 
Since I always pocket carry a .380 regardless if I'm able to also carry my G26/CBST, my answer would be yes. I find myself carrying more places than before I started pocket carry. My preference is 9mm or larger. I am confident that I can stop most threats with the .380 as long as I can get it out of my pocket quickly if needed. That's a bigger concern for me than caliber.
 
I couldn't use it. Stopping power is important, not killing them eventually as the bleed out. The BG can still attack.

I know that shot placement is important, but I'd rather have a 9mm or .38sp.
 
I just think that it's too weak.

I couldn't use it. Stopping power is important, not killing them eventually as the bleed out. The BG can still attack.

I know that shot placement is important, but I'd rather have a 9mm or .38sp.

Sure, we all want a micro 45acp that isn't a hog, doesn't kick like a mule and comes right back on target. With that said, if you believe the shots from your 9mm or 38sp to the shoulders, belly, legs etc. are going to immediately stop a determined attacker, you're only fooling yourself.

If you every need to pull your weapon to defend your life, the biggest "weakness" will be you.....How you react, handle the pressure and place your shots are your biggest strength, not the difference between 9mm, .380 & 38sp.

As I already stated a Beretta 84 or CZ 83 are the same size and in a whole different league than a 5 shot 38sp for self defense ..... If you don't realize this, than you've never shot those pistols and are basing your opinion strictly on caliber and caliber that is so minimally better, that it doesn't make a lick of sense to believe you're better armed with a 38 snub nose because it's 38sp instead of .380
 
I have a Ruger LCP and it is a great little gun. But I only carry it when a pocket pistol is all that I can carry and I have to say that when that is the situation I do feel under gunned. So I will use a .380 but it is not a first choice for self defense.
 
Yep, every day and I feel more than protected. I'll sometimes pack a full size .45, or a .38 in my coat, or even a .357 on my shoulder...but the more I carry these heavy chunks of steel, the more I wish I had left them at home.

I can carry an LCP in my front pocket, back pocket, shirt pocket, cell phone holster, or boot. The reload slips into my jean's watch pocket. Am I taking my chances? Sure. Of course, there are bad guys that won't go down if they are hit with anything short of 12 gauge buck. I practice weekly, I use good quality ammo, and I can keep rapid fire fist sized targets at what I consider combat ranges.

I still pack my Glock or a Ruger or any of the other common caliber handguns that that I have on a regular basis should I deem the risk greater. However, for day to day driving to and from work, sitting at my desk, and going out to the rare movie with my wife, the .380 just seems to work fine.
 
But a Kahr P9 is a smaller 9mm. A PM9 is even smaller.

Slightly, O/A length & width, same height and only 8 rounds as compared to 14 & 13 for the 84/83.....Not to mention the Kahr's have not had the stellar reliability record that the compact Beretta & CZ have.

For multiple attackers (not uncommon, do you read the paper) I'd prefer to have more rounds than 8 or 5.

Why do you even bother to carry or tout the 38sp. (larger, weaker, less rounds than the Kahr) and dismiss high cap .380s?

My comment wasn't about smaller 9mm's but singing the praises of 5 shot 38sp while dismissing all .380s based solely on caliber.
 
I did not shoot Kahr in my 380 test shoot. My actual test was running them through a USPSA stage setup on one of the match practice sessions where everyone brought their 380 pistols along with other caliber compacts.

I took my Russian Makarov 380/G26/G27/G30/P95 and although I was very proficient with the Makarov, it shot far short of G26. Some other 380 pistols did better, but in the end, G26 came up on top in terms of accuracy and speed.

Of course, this was just an informal comparison shoot but made me realize that I will perform better (and actually hit where I was aiming for under stress) with 9mm G26/40S&W G27 than any of the 380 I test fired, even with the Makarov I was well practiced with.

If you wonder and are curious, take your 380 out for a test comparison and shoot a real-life shooting scenario stage setup. Holes on target speak volumes.

Not the guns fault for shooting like that, it was you. Smaller guns are harder to shoot well but if you're profficent enough with them, you can do just as good. Can't always carry a full size gun anyway.
 
I would like to pose a question for those who are willing to trust their lives with 380.

Would you still choose 380 if you were going to a certain gun fight where your opponents were armed with 9mm, 40S&W, or 45ACP?

My defensive shooting mentor was a particular RO who asked us to be "prepared enough" and not to assume that our engagements turned out with us being the only ones being armed, but to expect that our opponents would be better armed.

I live in a city where home invasion robbery and street shootings are common place. And no, the criminals do not shoot 380, typically 9mm and larger.

I understand the OP's question would be different for individuals, but for me having been robbed three times and now with wife and kid, we now travel with 40/45 compacts.

Peace.
 
If I were going to a certain handgun fight I would bring a shotgun. But that is not the point of this thread, as far as I gather.
 
I wouldn't use any handgun caliber for unsociable encounters that didn't start with the number ".4". Such as .40 S&W, .41, .45 and so forth. One exception I would make would be a caliber that started with a ".5". You get my drift......
 
These days people act like human beings have evolved into some armored superhuman creature that is almost impervious to the rounds that have been killing them for MANY years. The truth is that the .380 still kills people all the time all over the world and has proven that it is more than capable of scaring off an intruder or attacker or killing them if necessary. Are there better calibers and options out there now? More than likely but if you get a .380, do your research on ammo, and test that ammo in the gun you buy you'll be fine as long as you've trained appropriately for a defensive situation. Don't buy into the hyperbole spouted by online forums, you don't need a .45 to stop somebody who has broken into your house or attacked you.
 
Here are some excerpts from Cornered Cat that I thought would be interesting counter points to some of the posts.


Handgun Calibers:
The 9mm Luger is ... more powerful than the anemic .380 ACP
Author's (female) perspective of the .380 caliber is "anemic"? I wonder why?


How to Make Your Wife Hate Guns:
If she wants a 1911, get her something smaller, like ... one of those tiny .380 semi-autos that weigh next to nothing. When she complains about snappy recoil, let her feel like a wimp and don't let her find out that it's often easier to shoot a heavier gun.
For those in support of "practice and training" overcoming the inherent qualities of smaller/lighter "pocket" pistols.


The Reality:
Criminal attacks usually happen very quickly and are often brutally unexpected. Under the stress of an attack, your body will go into fight-or-flight mode and will dump a massive amount of adrenalin into your bloodstream. This is good, because adrenalin will give you the physical strength and stamina to run away (if you are able to escape) or to fight back fiercely (if you cannot run away). But the adrenalin rush will also cause your hands and entire body to shake, your vision to tunnel in on the threat, and your brain to nearly stop registering input from your ears. These are all very predictable physical responses to being attacked.

Criminals aren't like cardboard targets at the range: they don't stand still, they don't move in predictable patterns, and they don't play fair. They move quickly and erratically and do unexpected things.

What this means is that getting a good, solid hit under stress may not be as easy as it sounds. Nationwide, law enforcement officers who get involved in shootings have a hit ratio of only around 20%. That means that 80% of their bullets do not hit the attackers! There are a lot of reasons for this, but the important thing to remember here is that you will need every advantage you can get. For the best chance of hitting the attacker at all, you will want to aim for the very middle of the largest part of the attacker's body that you can see.


The Reality:
Even if you do hit the attacker in the arm or leg, marginal hits are much less likely to stop the attack quickly enough to save your life. If the attacker is drunk or hopped up on drugs, he may not even notice he's been shot until blood loss shuts his body down, which can often take five minutes or more. A lot of very bad, and very permanent, things can happen during those five minutes.

Defending yourself with a handgun isn't like the movies. Your attacker won't be blown backwards when he is hit. He may not realize he's been shot even if the hit is a solid one. Even if he takes a bullet right through his heart, it may take 30 seconds or more for his brain and body to stop working. Thirty seconds may not sound like much, but it is enough time for him to shoot an entire magazine of ammuntion at you, enough time for him to fatally stab you, enough time for him to club you into brain-damaged unconsciousness.

The truth is, if you are attacked by a determined criminal, you will very likely need every advantage you can get. For your best chance of survival, you should aim at the largest part of his body you can see and you should keep fighting until you know that the attacker is no longer a threat.


The Reality:
If your attacker does not die (80% of people shot with a handgun survive), then he will very likely be charged with attacking you.


The Reality:
Maybe, maybe not. Some criminals do amazingly brazen and determined things under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or stupidity.

While most defensive uses of a firearm do not involve any shots being fired, you cannot assume that your criminal will be smart enough to run away.

It's also important to understand that criminals do not fear guns. They often own guns themselves, and spend their lives handling weapons of all sorts. The mere sight of a gun is not going to cause the criminal to faint! Some criminals will run away when the intended victim brings the gun out. But it is not the gun itself that makes them run away. A criminal runs when he believes the victim will shoot and kill him if he continues his attack. If the intended victim does not have visible resolve that she will use the gun if she must, the criminal may very well continue his attack even though he has seen the gun.
 
The truth is that the .380 still kills people all the time all over the world...
Yes, the .380 kills people, just as the .22 and .25 kill people.
But will it QUICKLY STOP an aggressive human before that aggressive human stabs you in the chest or bashes your head in with a baseball bat?


...and has proven that it is more than capable of scaring off an intruder or attacker or killing them if necessary.
No, it has never been proven to MORE than capable.
In fact, the reputation of the .380 as a "man-stopper" is poor at best.
 
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