Would You Trust Your Life With A .380?

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Don't forget:
Twin towers
Boston Marathon
Pulse nightclub
School shootings
Theater shootings
Airport shooting
Army base shootings
Workplace shootings

It is amazing how the facts are ignored. Chicago alone has an incredible modern day homicide rate
Sure is...

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm


Despite the huge media coverage devoted to them, crime statistics show that there is no upward trend in mass killings -- defined as having four victims or more, not counting terrorism -- since the 1970s, he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/03/us/us-mass-killings/

Might be forgetting that the 60's also saw bombings, school shootings, etc etc..
we are not worse off than we were then we were back then.. However, we are subjected to 24/7 news cycles now-a-days.


I would have no issues trusting a .380..
 
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yes, especially if it has a longer barrel and right ammo to maximize the rounds full potential. same goes for .32acp for myself under the same conditions. shot placement trumps all else. ask all those shot dead by. 22lr, .25acp and .32acp saturday night specials. well you could ask if they weren't already dead from those tiny anemic rounds.
 
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I can not imagine that anyone here would say "NO" now if you said to them when they were stepping out of the shower, "Hey, there are three thugs armed with a knife, a ten inch section of rebar, and a broken beer bottle coming through the bathroom door behind me with the intent to do you harm and would you like this here Davis .380 Ring of fire Special loaded with RN FMJ ammo right now?"

Beats not having a gun.

I would be comfortable "trusting my life" with a .380 if you mean would I feel safer for my family and self with one than with nothing or something "less"

I have in years past, carried even the lowly .25acp and "trusted my life" to it. I certainly trusted my life to my manly looks for a good long time before I started carrying.

Bullet caliber and gun type are not some sort of magical talisman that fends off all evil. There are 47 Jillion factors that go into what one carries and where and when.

.380 is a cartridge that has seen both military and police use in years past and no doubt somewhere today. Have not noticed any huge evolutionary changes in human biology lately.

Now if you said "kBob, the 43rd Mongol Horde is coming through the front door, do you want your nice old Beretta 1934 or your Colt Series 70 Mark IV .45ACP?" then the .380 would get the down check. But you know what? There are places and things I might wear such that I could carry the 1934 that I could not carry the full size 1911-ish. There are places and conditions under which I would rather carry the .22LR or .25 auto. Believe it or not (thank you Mr. Ripley) there are even times that kBob walks out the side door and goes out into the world without a firearm.......the horrors..... who would have thought it?

I suppose if the bio-labs at UF start releasing cloned Velocoraptors into the wild in my neighborhood in large packs, a .380 might not be enough........

but for going to the grocery tonight.....yeah I would trust a .380 in a gun I had trained with , had confidence in my ability to hit with, and reliably ran that .380 round..... twill serve twill serve.

-kBob
 
Quite some time ago, I decided that a .380 was a minimum CCW requirement and sold a .25 and .22. I don't feel safe and I don't defer my personal safety to government, so I concealed carry. 24 7 365 isn't a trivial commitment.
If it came to defending my life, I'd rater have a 12ga, but a .380 might have to do in unforeseen circumstances.
 
I would imagine modern GS trauma procedures have had a lot to do with this.

Some, but overall violent crime has followed the same trend, going up through the 1960s, fluctuating a bit, with huge spikes in the early 1980s and 1990s, and then falling dramatically over the last 20 years.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

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Don't forget:
Twin towers
Boston Marathon
Pulse nightclub
School shootings
Theater shootings
Airport shooting
Army base shootings
Workplace shootings

Yes those things happen. The likelihood of you being killed in one is very low. You are more likely to be killed by lightning. I can't remember where I saw that statistic but the methodology made sense.

You can arm yourself to deal with a terrorist incident. AR, high capacity 9mm, body armor, and lots of ammo. That isn't practical though.

I don't feel it difficult to conceal a service pistol in tshirt and shorts. However, I don't find the need to do that all the time. Even when I worked as a LEO (most of the time plainclothes) I often found myself carrying a J frame 38 or 380. Since I retired I even find myself comfortable carrying a 32 auto or 32 SW Long.

What I have an issue with is people who claim a J frame or 380 is only good for 10 ft and are satisfied with pie plate groups at that range.

If I'm going to a higher threat area I will carry something more effective. Day to day I'm satisfied with a 380. It's worked for me before.
 
Yes those things happen. The likelihood of you being killed in one is very low. You are more likely to be killed by lightning. I can't remember where I saw that statistic but the methodology made sense.

Off topic for a moment... I was nearly struck by lightning once while hunting. I noticed a strange feeling like all the hair on my body was standing up, then snap!, then lightning struck a tree about 30 feet from me. I can still hear my ears ringing, and that was 15 years ago.

Back on topic...

If you truly want one-hit stopping power, go with a .454 Casull , a .50 AE, or a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range, but good luck concealing them. I think .380 is a compromise for most people between what we're able to carry regularly and what we'd like to carry regularly. It's big enough to do the job (if you do your part), but small enough to conceal without too much hassle.

My rule of thumb is if you are unsure about your gun, maybe you need something else. Most of the time I'm pretty sure it's all I need. Best case scenario is if you try to avoid putting yourself in a position to have to use it. Sometimes things happen, though, and if I knew there was no way to avoid it, and I was going to be in a situation where there was a high likelihood I'd get shot at, I'd probably upgrade to a 9mm, .40, or .45. I know that if someone breaks in at night, I'm going for the .45 with hollow points or the M1 carbine with soft points.
 
I prefer 9mm as a minimum power level, but would certainly take a 380 over nothing.

It worked for James Bond for years.
 
Well, I carry a 9mm, or sometimes a .38 Special. But my wife carries a .380. And seeing as how my wife is much, much better than I with a handgun, any handgun, I wouldn't want to go up against her in a gunfight, even though the handgun I carry is bigger and more powerful than the handgun she carries.

PS At least I'm better than my wife with a long gun, any long gun.
 
My regular carry practices completely changed when I got my .380.
I was carrying a compact 1911 when I traveled or went somewhere out of my regular circles.
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This was driving me crazy deciding when to carry, and when not to.
With the little .380 I simply put it in my waistband every morning. Just like a pocket knife, it's there if needed. It's comforting when not needed.
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I would, but given the negligible difference in size of 380's and 9's (I have a P938 and LC9S Pro), I prefer the 9.
 
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decisions, decisions :confused:
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I get that there are 380's that are smaller. The LC9S Pro and P938 are small enough for me to pocket carry, and the fact that they're slightly bigger does not take away for the benefits a 9 offers compared to a 380. If the difference in size is more important to someone, then the 380 is right for them.
 
It is amazing how the facts are ignored. Chicago alone has an incredible modern day homicide rate. :(

Violent crime is lower than at any point in the last 50 years.

There were 4.9 murders per 100,000 people in 2015.

My own back of the napkin math (comparing population to murder numbers, but not readily finding the FBI UCR for that year) says this was closer to 5.6 murders per 100,000 in 1966.

I did not say that we live in a utopia. I did not say there was no murder, or no violent crime. Rather, the notion that "our nation is less safe than it was 50 years ago," is factually incorrect.

To your point though -- what facts are being ignored? And, if you were incorrect in your assumptions, would facts even change your mind?
 
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