ccw at church

[RoostRider]

Reaper-

Ever been on a commercial plane flight?
Ever been to court?
Ever go to a school?

How do you handle those things?

 

[REAPER4206969]

No.

No.

Home schooled from the 8th grade on.

I, like many others in this thread put out a great deal of effort to avoid being in places where “my type” are not welcome.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

I think when one resolves to have complete liberty from tyranny and absolute freedom to do what is legal within the law without other people being squeamish about it.... then only then will we have Freedom in all the land.

Until then, the shootings will continue until laws improve.

 

[BhmBill]

Anarchism is the ultimate form of freedom.

 

[SquirrelNuts]

There were at least four guns that I know of being CCW'd at my first wedding. I was not carrying, as I suspected I would be searched by my ex-wife's friend...which I was.

 

[4Freedom]

Simon Peter carried a sword to church, why do you feel guilty carrying the 21st century version of what he had back in the day? Don't let the liberal fool you. Of course I guess you will have to think of local and state laws; but if its a moral issue, its only moraless to sit and watch innocent men, women and children die when you could have done something about it.

 

[BhmBill]

There were at least four guns that I know of being CCW'd at my first wedding. I was not carrying, as I suspected I would be searched by my ex-wife's friend...which I was.

You could of keester'd in a pocket pistol.

 

[REAPER4206969]

No, nor did I contend as much.

I apologize for misreading your post. I caught a mild Authoritarian vibe from you. To answer your question, yes it is always best to work hard at removing illegal laws or simply changing bad ones. However, I believe that every free person must make an educated choice on their own accord as to if they will or will not observe the bad law while in the process of removing or changing it.

As for me, I make it a general philosophy that if my defensive tools are not welcome in a business, home, or legal jurisdiction, then I am not welcome.

This is my primary philosophy as well.

some just buck the system and ride the coattails of others who push better laws through. Not saying you're doing this - but your advocacy for ignoring laws and property rights of no-carry establishments does suggest it.

Some of those people may opine that they are not riding the coattails of anyone. They were carrying before the law was here, while the law was here and they will be carrying if and when the law comes back. These people pay no heed to some words penned on a piece of paper by some “Representative” that does not care about them. These people do not murder, rape and steal because some law says they can’t. It is because they know those acts are wrong. The reason they carry is because they know that act is morally right.



As to private property rights I find it odd that the only time I hear or read about my fellow Conservatives, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Etc. supporting property owners is when it comes to preclude us from bearing arms. I never hear us getting upset over laws that FORCE property owners to allow “special people” on their property or disallow “undesirables” (CCW/open carry, smokers, Etc.). There are few people that support private property owners more then I do, however I believe you must support them 100%. Also, no I do not do business with anti Second Amendment property owners.

 

[REAPER4206969]

Simon Peter carried a sword to church, why do you feel guilty carrying the 21st century version of what he had back in the day? Don't let the liberal fool you. Of course I guess you will have to think of local and state laws; but if its a moral issue, its only moraless to sit and watch innocent men, women and children die when you could have done something about it.

Now this is good posting! It is well to see that I am in such good company.

 

[SquirrelNuts]

BhmBill,

Thanks for the suggestions, but certainly not for me!

 

[rr2241tx]

The interesting thing about this is: the church is PRIVATE PROPERTY, therefore, even in "Panty-Knots" Texas, open carry is A-OK as long as the church leadership doesn't object and open carry is legal in your car on the way to and from as well. Our church parking lot has a tendency to look like a gunshow after services anyway, so maybe it'd go better for you if you just held up the StopNRob down the street.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

The reference to Peter and the sword must be explained as from the Book for John Chapter 18 around verse 8 if memory serves.

Jesus, Peter (Who had a sword as a form of personal protection at the time) and other loyal followers went to a grove of trees. There, they were intercepted by those in Church power (Pharisees) in the local area. Peter used the sword to take a shot at one of the priests attempting to take Jesus away a sort of a defense. But Jesus rebuked Peter because Jesus already knew what will happen to him before hand and must proceed with being arrested.

I dont want this threat to break up into a religious discussion It's bad enough that my memory is not good and errors may be in my post here. But there are many who will probably not understand just what a Sword was doing on one of those who loved Jesus during his time here on earth.

I ask the Mods patience as we clear that little bit up more for others to understand.

I suppose it will be equal to a local state police being directed by the Governer of the state to arrest a pastor of YOUR Church and you attempt to draw and use your weapon on the captian or sarge leading the squad trying to take the pastor away.

Thinking about it further, Peter knew not why they came to arrest Jesus he only acted out of a desire for defense and limited understanding.

The Church may be private property, but they also must file as a non-profit and other ways under our US and State Tax Laws to be allowed to exist as a Church.

I believe the Vatican in Italy is probably the only place on Earth that is recognized as a Soveriegn Church power/Nation and cannot be invaded or imposed upon by Italy or any other Nation in the world. That is what I was taught. The real reason I pointed that out is because there was a person named Martin Luther who had to hide in a armed Castle with friends in Germany for a year while translating the Book into a common and easy to understand language for ALL to understand the Word and remove the total and complete tyranny that the Catholic Church had over the people at the time.

Once the book was written complete and released, all the people understood at that time in thier own ways. King James I believe was one of the first to act upon that little oppertuntiy.

Imagine if the tax laws and IRS was edited to include one simple page. A Flat tax by percentage of gross wages earned each year and a percentage of the cash sales everytime you purchased something. One simple rate for all.

That will negate and remove much of the confusion, greed and other problems that corrupts Nations into total power over those who elected them there in the first place. And certainly the Churches have a voice, always have and always will... as long there is seperation of State and Church.

 

[ChronoCube]

As to private property rights I find it odd that the only time I hear or read about my fellow Conservatives, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Etc. supporting property owners is when it comes to preclude us from bearing arms. I never hear us getting upset over laws that FORCE property owners to allow “special people” on their property or disallow “undesirables” (CCW/open carry, smokers, Etc.). There are few people that support private property owners more then I do, however I believe you must support them 100%.

Really? I find that hard to believe. There are plenty of such people out there. Search on websites like lewrockwell.com, mises.org, or takimag.com. See where they stand on anti-discrimination laws and bans on restaurant smoking.

 

[REAPER4206969]

I was mainly speaking of the various firearms sites.