Why do people hate the 9mm?

[jackdanson]

It's killed lots of folks.

 

[Pulse]

i may be wrong, by i allways believed that more people where killed by the tiny and absymal 9mm then any other handgun round?

in most of the rest of the world, the 9mm is considered the standard in handgun ammo.

 

[ArmedBear]

Any caliber will kill someone, and has.

The question is, will it save you from them, if they are attacking you?

 

[Hoppy590]

i just dont like the guns that shoot it mostly.

the frames to alot of major 9mm are WAY to big. and the guns that go with a smaller frame are still too fat.

 

[stalkingbear]

I see absolutely no reason to handicap myself with an 9mm instead of the time proven man stopping abilities of a bigger bullet. People don't think about a bigger bullet making a bigger hole in the target without needing to expand whatsoever, whereas the 9mm MAY expand close to diameter after it expands-which is extremely iffy in cases of the hollow point filling up with clothing material. And NOBODY in their right mind would even think about using 9mm FMJ bullets for defense. The 9mm fans try to dismiss the actual facts compiled from shootouts and knockdown power of the .45.:banghead: People often confuse killing power with stopping power. An ingrown toenail or piece of glass/rusty nail MAY eventually be fatal if left untouched. The WHOLE idea of self defense is to be able to stop the attacker from all further acts of aggression. Stopping power comes into play when you want the time elapsed from striking attacker to the time he is totally unable to perform ANY more aggression. To say .45 is too hard to control is hogwash! ANYBODY that has enough training to achieve muscle memory can easily shoot .45s. I have to wonder about the "macho" men that are scared of .45acp recoil, when my wife and kids-including my babygirl LOVES to shoot my .45s. It's also nonsense about the larger guns being heavier. Look at the actual difference in length is between the rounds.

Sure the 9mm has it's place-but IMO that place is for plinking or backup to the PRIMARY defense weapon ONLY. It's ridiculous to deliberately hinder yourself with an under powered weapon. We ALL know that just because NATO adopts something, that DON'T make it ideal, or even sufficient. MY ideal defense weapon will ALWAYS be +P loads shot from an .45acp. It's record is unquestionable.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

You know, stalkingbear, a smaller round like the .45ACP really doesn't compare in stopping power to a more adequate round like the .500 S&W Magnum. Why limit yourself to the smaller round when the bigger round is available?

 

[ArmedBear]

Why limit yourself to the smaller round when the bigger round is available?

Uh, because the .45ACP is one of the best compromises?

A .500 isn't a great carry gun, it's nearly unshootable, and provides little opportunity for followup shots.

The right .45 is no harder to shoot than a 9mm, but as I said, 230 grains is a lot heavier than 115, and from what I've seen on game, I'll take heavy over light.

 

[stalkingbear]

I HAVE been drooling over Guncrafter Industries .50 1911 but just don't have the ability to pay for 1. How did you know?????

 

[MostlyHarmless]

I don't "hate" the 9mm and doubt if there are many people who do.

On the other hand, I do believe that the 9mm is not as good as some of the other choices available today in guns and ammunition. I find that my defensive needs are better served by the .40 S&W. Pistols are available in .40 S&W in roughly comparable size and weight to most 9mm pistols, and the ballistics are better. More recoil but that doesn't bother me. Ammunition availability is very good.

I also find the .380 pocket pistols to serve a useful role due to their small size.

That leaves 9mm as a compromise with neither the concealability of the .380 or the power of the .40. True, there are individual guns worth considering (Rohrbaugh), but the number of really great 9mm platforms not also available in .40 is small.

 

[SuperNaut]

I don't hate the 9mm, I'm mostly indifferent. That is because all the same technological advances that have been applied to the 9mm round/platform have also been applied to the .45. Therefore if the 9mm round offers no significant ballistic advantage over the .45, and the platform offers no significant size advantage over the .45, there is no compelling reason for adoption IMHO.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

The smaller frame .45s are getting my interest, but their capacity still stinks.

 

[nwilliams]

Why do people hate the 9mm?

I love the 9mm, it's always been one of my favorite calibers!

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Hate the 9mm? No, but there are better choices out there, if you can shoot them well, and they don't give you a flinch.

But if I could have only one semi-auto, it would be a 9mm, since it's cheap to shoot for a, usually has adequate stopping power, and I don't need one for bear defense. But still, .45 ACP and .40 S&W are better for self-defense, if you can shoot them well.

 

[Davionmaximus]

Two guns virtually identical in size Glock19 and Springfield XD 45 compact
Glock 9mm 15+1 147gr = 2352
XD .45 13+1 230gr = 3220

In guns of the same size why sell yourself short (by 900gr)??

 

[stogiegila]

I like the 9mm. I actually shoot my Glock G30 .45 cal better than any other gun, but I prefer to carry a 9mm due to capacity. I find the recoil of the .45 is actually less offensive than the 9mm. But carrying 3-6 more rounds is more comforting to me.

The round I don't like is the .40. Too snappy for my liking. Everyone is different.

 

[NELSONs02]

the 9mm has its niche. Would i want it for combat or self defense? NO.

Here in wisconsin I think the 9mm is pretty popular among shooters. All we do with pistols here is punch holes in paper...... unless your hunting, and for that I don't think the 9mm would work. This is why i own two!

 

[bikerdoc]

I have 3 of them, have no doubt they will get the job, have 3 357's
and 2 45's love em all. And the only time I ever fired at someone it was with the wifes 380. One shot stop, go figure.
Shot placement is everything.

 

[gmhamilton3]

Wild Bill Hickok, considered the wests best gun fighter used 9mm cap/ball pistols. He said one should aim for a man's "guts"--it might not kill him, but it would put him out of action.
He seemed to do OK although under gunned, well that is until he was interesting enough killed by a .45.

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Underpowered?? The 9mm has twice the muzzle energy as the .38 Special---that nobody seems to have problem carrying.

Love the 9mm---all my handguns are either 9mm or .22 LR.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

I don't have a problem with the .38 Special either, but it's easier and more reliable to shoot expanding rounds from a .38 revolver than from a 9mm autoloader. I know, I know, I'm going to have upteen posters telling me how they've fired fifty thousand rounds of 9mm hollowpoints through their HiPoint and it never malfunctioned. Whatever; I shoot only ball from my 92FS. That's why stopping power is marginal. Also, you can shoot pretty powerful +P loads in a modern revolver without the malfunctions that can occur with uploaded ammunition in an autoloader. So the muzzle energy can be a closer proposition, and the stopping power can vary depending on bullet and load.

 

[Ky Larry]

A lot of people have the attitude "I'm smarter than you so I'm right and if you disagree with me then you're stupid." Besides, why should you care what anyone else thinks of the 9mm. If you choose to carry it to defend yourself and family, it's your a**, not theirs. Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody has one. Do your homework and choose what works for you.

 

[Travis Bickle]

Who knows? Most 9mm loads are, admittedly, mediocre man stoppers, but .38 special is even worse, and I don't see it singled out for nearly as much opprobrium as the 9mm.

 

[NavyGuy]

Energy (ft.-lbs.) Velocity (ft./sec.)
Caliber Bullet Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds. Muzzle 50 yds. 100 yds.
.25 Auto Pistol 50 MC 64 45 48 760 707 659
.32 Auto 71 MC 129 115 97 905 855 810
.357 Magnum 125 JSP 583 427 330 1450 1240 1090
9mm Luger 115 MC 329 277 242 1135 1041 973
.380 Auto 95 MC 190 160 130 955 865 785
.38 Super(+P) 130 MC 426 348 298 1215 1099 1017
.38 Special 158 LRN 200 183 168 755 723 692
.38 Special 130 MC 261 240 223 950 913 879
.40 S&W 180 MC 388 350 319 985 936 893
.40 S&W 165 MC 485 396 340 1150 1040 964
.357 Sig. 125 MC 506 422 359 1350 1146 1018
10mm Auto 180 MC 529 452 398 1150 1063 998
.44 Rem. Mag. 180 JSP 1036 745 551 1610 1365 1175
.45 Auto 230 MC 356 326 300 835 800 767

This is a ballistic table from the sportsmans guide, I hope it comes out right.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/resource/remington_charts/handbal.htm

The decision was simple for me, I wanted something small and effective. I knew I wanted a glock after reading this.

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90

I went to a local range where you can rent any gun on the wall repeatedly for $5 flat. I bought a box of 9mm, .40, 45, and 357. After shooting every conceivable frame size and caliber of glock, I was torn between the 40 and the 45. A quick check of some ballitics tables I saw the .40 was more effective at it's intended job. The recoil was about the same to me, some may argue, but that was my opinion. With the .40 you get small framed light guns, high capacity mags, and the ammo is the same price as .45 in my area. I think my package is a great tool against anything or anyone that threatens me or my family.

Back to the OP, I don't hate the 9mm. My next handgun will be a 9mm. My first gun was bought as a tool not a toy. I'm not saying the 9mm is only a toy, for my first gun I wanted the most bang for the buck in a dependable package. When summer rolls around, I'll be looking for a ruger LCP to carry when the outfit calls for it. Hope this helps.

So...the table didn't come out at all. Click the link to take a look. That sucks, it took like 15 min to space all that out right

 

[hostilecrab]

Re: Why do people hate the 9mm ?

Not sure why...

As long as shot placement is accurate, the 9mm will do fine.

A burning piece of hot lead 9mm in diameter in the brain or heart will kill.

-HCrab

 

[mgregg85]

I don't hate the 9mm, its just that there are newer, better options out there for a carry pistol, the .45ACP for example.