I heard a good one today...

[Geckgo]

saw one of them inspirational posters with a 1911 on it yesterday. Caption read ".45ACP, because firing more than once is just silly."

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Winchester ammo sucks

After seeing two ammo related jams with a Beretta 92 using factory mags last saturday, I would say it does suck. One of the spent casings didn't even leave the chamber and jam, it just short stroked and stayed in the chamber. At first I thought it was a squib. Also there was one topic that someone made that showed 5 rounds out of a WWB that were loaded horribly wrong.

 

[Geckgo]

Maybe the problem is 9mms, hehehehe BAZAM!

Actually in that case it was someone commenting on the accuracy of my .22lr bulk box, after which I printed a 1MOA group with them.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Oh I see, most likely user error with those .22s. I will still buy Winchester Shotgun shells but I'm staying away from the bulk handgun ammo. Remington is just a tad more expensive as I recall.

 

[Hocka Louis]

I Love That Shootin' Irony

I was standing in my LGS today and managed to hear an old man tell this woman "Honey, let me tell ya, that .22 magnum has just as much if not more power than a .38 special"

Unless she was already better informed than this man, she walked out with a heritage .22 mag that she thought was a power house.

I didn't bother reading most of the rest of the posts as it too sounded like buzzing flies after the genesis of this thread being off base, kinda embarassing, and, ironicly, sorta an example of what it tries to make fun of...

You know he was kinda right by now, don't you? A 6" .22 Mag pistol is more powerful than any .22 LR rifle, and a .22 Mag rifle has the same power as a .44 Special handgun.

 

[beeenbag]

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking by starting this thread. I guess I should have known that you can't mention ANY caliber as being inferior to another here without somebody finding some set of variables to try an prove you wrong even though by changing the variables it is no longer the same debate.

Instead of it being a 22 mag vs 38 special in same platform conversation we have reached all the way out to comparing 22 mag rifles to lwc target loads in a snub.

People just look to impress others by stating the obvious because they don't really impress themselves.

 

[swiftak]

Like that guy should be working in a gun shop.

 

[beeenbag]

Hocka louis answer this.. Do you really think a 3" 22 mag has as much stopping power as a 3" 38 special?

Don't add any variables like load variation or what someone shoots better or blah blah blah, just say standard ammo.

 

[bikerdoc]

At my LGS we collectively call them the 5 L's, Liars, lookers, losers, looneys and lonely.

 

[Byrd666]

Liberty1776 - AMEN brother, Amen

 

[Gun Geezer]

The one about the .22 bouncing around your insides makes me laugh every time. It's actually fun to explain to people that, while it can be deadly, the bullet is not going to turn your ribcage into a pinball machine.

I know what you're saying is true. But so is this true story:

I once shot a buck at about 50 yards with a 30-06. Being so close, I took a head shot using an eyeball as my target. Bullet appeared to have entered at the tear duct and left no visible entry wound. No blood and no tissue damage. It also did not exit! I note that the eye was a tad recessed, but not even scratched. I grabbed an antler to move his head around and the whole head was just stretchy. The skull was indeed all busted up but the skin was 100% in tact wiht no exit wound! That was a wierd one A 30-06 with no visible entry and no exit. I'd have bet against it.

A little off topic, but it one of my best tgrue stories. You should the ones I exaggerate on!

 

[Hocka Louis]

Steve;
Chances are the hydrostatic shock in that deer's water-filled balloon burst the container into fragments like a grenade.



If you had used a .22 Mag from a NAA 1-7/8" pocket-pistol, additionaly, the antlers would have been launched and impaled themselves into the nearest trees regardless of distance!

 

[Geckgo]

Steve, did the deer die of a heart attack? I would have autopsied the brain, just to be sure.

 

[Gun Geezer]

Steve, did the deer die of a heart attack? I would have autopsied the brain, just to be sure.

Again, that was the oddest thing I have seen. 1 in million weird shot and results.

When I pulled on an antler to roll his head around, it was like there was no bone, just skin. His head just stretched. I didn't do an autopsy (should have I guess) but his skull was completely fractured. I'm thinking the angle of approach made the bullet just run around about 6000 laps inside his skill.

 

[Hocka Louis]

Please note how CLOSE they can actually be...

.22 WMR Winchester 40gr. JHP, 1400fps, 174ft.-lbs energy, 13" Penetration, 42% One Stop rating, 6.5" Ruger (or Heritage)

.38 Spec. Federal, Rem, Win. 158 gr. RNL, 708, 176, 28.5", 52%, 4" S&W

 

[S. Hill]

Just a note from personal experience. This isn’t exactly .38 Special vs. .22 Mag, but close.

My father and I were butchering hogs. We usually use a .22 rifle to kill them, but thought that we would test our .380 AMT "Backup" for the headshots. After 3 shots (that hit where we intended) pig #1 was still on his feet. We re-evaluated our choice of firearm and selected a .22 Mag revolver (with a 6" barrel). One shot, and the pig was dead.

Autopsy results showed that the .380 bullet had failed to penetrate the hog's skull. The bullet from the .22 Magnum was recovered WAY down in the neck. We now have a new respect for the .22 Mag's penetration and a serious question about the usefulness of the .380 ACP round.

 

[SwampWolf]

Now picture the guy that was saying that, he was about mid 50s probably, leaning on a cane, big beer belly sticking out, a greying elvis presley haircut, dentures but only the ones on the bottom were complete, tattoos that look more like an ink stamp on his forearms, sweat pants and a motley crue shirt.

keep an eye out for this cat, he is a well of knowledge.

You got everything about right 'cept I'm in my late sixties. My secret for lookin' young is the crew shirt. And yer right about me being well known for my knowledge. I'm full of it!
As for the funky lookin' tattoos-well, I got them when I was serving in 'Nam. Right before I got my leg blown off from a land mine. That's the reason I was leanin' on the cane...

 

[JohnKSa]

Do you really think a 3" 22 mag has as much stopping power as a 3" 38 special?

I don't want to open too big of a can of worms, but "stopping power" is sort of a problematic term given that there is no accepted definition for it that can be practically applied for comparison purposes in the real world.

That said, Bill Jordan, who knew a thing or two about firearms, was a proponent of using the .22Mag in a pistol as a self-defense weapon. I believe it's possible to find a quote by him stating that under certain circumstances he would choose a .22Mag J-Frame over a .38spl J-Frame for self-defense purposes. I'm not sure if that means he really liked the .22Mag, really hated the .38Spl or maybe both.

However, your overall point is well-taken. It's certainly not uncommon to find people who have somewhat unorthodox opinions regarding various aspects of firearms lore, technology and use.

 

[Owen Sparks]

Most gun myths have some basis in truth. For example if you shortened a shotgun by a few inches you would have to cut off the choke. Provided it was a full choke to begain with this would indeed open the pattern up a whole lot. The uninformed might assume that cutting even more off the barrel might open up the pattern even more. Of course it would not but some people don't know what a choke is and might assume that barrel length was the reason. That is how these myths get started.

BTW: What are the energy figures of a .22 Magnum fired from a rifle barrel vs. a standard .38 Special fired from a 2" barrel revolver?

 

[Geckgo]

Steve,

yea, I was thinking something like that, but man I'd love to see what the bullet looked like afterwords.

 

[goon]

Although generally knowledgable, my dad will swear on a stack of Bibles that nickel plated brass easily outlasts regular brass casings.
I know from experience that he's just plain wrong, but it's just not worth the effort to argue with him.

 

[scythefwd]

owen, theoreticaly the shorter barrel wil have an effect on patterning, just not enough to count. The shorter the barrel, the less time the shot spends constrained to the bore diameter. It woulds follow that at the same distances, the shot from the shorter barrel would have more time to expand... Just not noticeably much.

 

[Geckgo]

One of these days I will do a writeup on that shotgun thing, people try to oversimplify it. The not noticeably much part is right, but that isn't the reason.

 

[Hocka Louis]

And Win. rifle ammo is awful -- I will NOT buy it. Its the bullets. They are the worst c**p available for the money.

And maybe the .22 Mag guy was trying to convince his wife that the .22 Mag was adequate to save her life as she couldn't handle the recoil of the .38 but seemed OK with .22 Mags but would rather have no gun than something she thought was inadequate.

I like the .30-06 over the .308. No, it is not really any more powerful and only a bit more versatile, but, it can be reamed to .30-06 Ackley Improved (which still fires regular .30-06) and THEN I refer to it as the .308 Long Magnum. Boys today seem to get the gist of that at least.

The .45. Ah, yes. Had to explain to a jarhead that a .45 won't pick someone up and throw them 20 feet. "Don't tell me" he said, "I've seen it, and from my own hand." He served in the mideast in 50's and shot someone with a .45. They went flying. I asked him if he also went flying. Of course not. He couldn't understand that the targets reaction was just that -- their reaction. That if they went flying 20 feet because of the force of the bullet he would have to also. He never got it. The .45 was magic, and he would carry a holstered Gold Cup while working with me in uniform.

 

[Geckgo]

True Jeff, but I was referring more to the pinball 22 round that turns brains into scrambled eggs, not just one or even dare I say 2 ricochettes.

Crap, I had another one to add and now I lost it