If you had to rely on a new, "out of the box" auto...

Which semiauto handgun brand would you trust most "out of the box"?

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The only guns I would feel comfortable picking up to defend my life with, having never test fired, would be a Glock 17 or 19, and maybe a newer Hi-Power (the older ones may not feed JHP reliably, but a quick look at the feed ramp should tell).

My only hesitation with the Hi-Power is making sure you get a good mag. Glock mags are ubiquitous and made mostly by Glock. Everybody makes Hi-Power mags, and quality is all over the board.
 
Every Glock I've bought was fired at the range right out of the box. No problems what so ever after hundreds and hundreds of rounds out of the box.
 
I can't believe that 11 people (as of now) have voted Kimber. I don't think I've ever seen one that didn't at least have some initial problems.

For out of the box pistols, I picked the Beretta. With no ejection port, it's the one I'd bet my life on.

The Glock, as much as I dislike them, also probably would be flawlessly reliable. And there would be others. But no 1911 of any make would be on my list.
 
Did anyone mention Glock :)

In my 35+ years of shooting I have never had a firearm as reliable as my Glocks - G21/G22/G27/G29. Never had a jam or malfunction of any kind.
 
I bought my glock in 1987. I've well over 30K rounds through it, and it has never jammed. Ever. Model 17, hardball ammo, usually winchester white box.

I have no other gun that I can say that about.

Having said that, I don't like them as much as I do 1911s. Weird. I loves my .45s., even though they're not as reliable.




Sort of like loving a beautiful woman that treats you like crap, and while you KNOW the homely girl next door would never, ever do you wrong, you still don't want to be seen in public with her...(sigh).:uhoh:
 
What happened is that McDonald's was later surpassed by the competition, those who now make a better product.
But McDonald's paved the way and showed others how it could be done....just as Glock paved the way and showed other gun makers how it could be done.
And one day Glock too will be surpassed by the competition....the SA XD and the S&W M&P are very hot on Glock's heels....HK could be Glock's greatest competition IMO, but they choose to target deeper pockets.
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How was McDonald's surpassed by the competition? Is it not still the world's largest Fast Food chain? Makes the most money? If all these others have a better product why then is McD's still #1 or do you have evidence to the contrary? :scrutiny:
 
I'd have to say any of them. I've never had a gun that malfunctioned often enough to worry about it. Colt, Glock, XD, Bersa, Kel-Tec, Makarov, Hi-Point, Smith and Wesson. And those are just the semi's.

Actually the only gun I've ever owned that had to be worked on at all was a Ruger Revolver, and that worked well when it was clean.

I guess I've just always been lucky.
 
I bought my glock in 1987. I've well over 30K rounds through it, and it has never jammed. Ever. Model 17, hardball ammo, usually winchester white box.

I have no other gun that I can say that about.

Having said that, I don't like them as much as I do 1911s. Weird. I loves my .45s., even though they're not as reliable.




Sort of like loving a beautiful woman that treats you like crap, and while you KNOW the homely girl next door would never, ever do you wrong, you still don't want to be seen in public with her...(sigh).
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It's a pretty simple answer to this question, I think: If your life depended on the gun working, as in if you knew you'd be attacked by 30 people within 10 years, you'd start to actually love your Glock above all else; or if you were in war, and you depended upon your pistol to shoot every dang time, because if it jammed in the midst of battle, you'd be dead? You'd love the Glock above all else!

But since you're just shooting at the range, with your life not threatened, then it's all about 'having fun' and how the gun *feels* when you shoot it, and it how looks. But when the S hits the F, the Glock, even though not as good looking as the 1911 (I do love the 1911 looks, btw), it's still beautiful in its "ugliness;" because it's just so dependable! When you love something in spite of its "not so great looks" then you know it's true love! Not superficial lust, as in outward appearances only!

Okay, this sounds too much like loving a woman... I think I'm going too deep here when talking about guns. :neener:

In the end, Glocks are combat pistols; there's no beauty in death slaughtering, bloody war; it's all about survival. Glock was made for war, not for walking down the runway like some hot supermodel; not for merely 'having fun at the range' with, either.

But I think I made the point? :D
 
I voted Glock because I think they're the least likely to develop a problem down the line.
The stupid things just work, no matter what you do.

I own 14 1911 pistols and ten of those are Colts. One's an Ithaca, one's a Remington Rand, ones a Norinco, and on'es an RIA.

But I voted Glock.


Somebody shoot me.
 
If I knew that I'd be attacked by 30 people in the next ten years, I'd be carrying a 1911 in .45 ACP loaded up with +P hollow-points.

A "combat pistol"? Oh, please. A handgun is a handgun. Bloody war? Get a long gun.
 
Uh... Mayo... solders do carry pistols, as well; or'd you not know that? :eek:

The Glock was originally and specifically made for the Austrian soldiers back in the 1980's. Back then, GLOCK made their pistol have the magazine not fall all the way out when ejected, because their soldiers didn't want to risk losing them in the snow. The "hump" (and thus causing the slant) on the bottom-rear of the grip is there because of the hole at the bottom; that hole is there so one can put their finger up inside to more effectively grasp the magazine in case it ever got jammed in the field. So, there's a tactical reason for that slant on Glocks' grips, too. Just for anyone wanting to know why Glocks are more slanted and "thicker gripped" than usual pistols. On top of having double-stacked rounds in there, as well.

But, yeah, it's a combat pistol, whether you like it or not; a very RELIABLE and DURABLE combat pistol, at that. It's made of plastics to be lighter than the usual metal gun! Let's see, do I have to explain the reason behind that? Let me get to it quickly: Soldiers carry a lot of weight into battle, so GLOCK chose to make their guns very light in weight, and plastic is light. Again, another tactical reason behind what many ignorant people put Glock down for, but in the end, those nay sayers look dumb for doing so once they learn the reasons behind why the Glock is the way it is.

And I'll pick my ultra-reliable and durable 11-round capacity, compact sized Glock 29 with Magnum powered 10mm DoubleTap rounds over your +p .45 1911, any day. :D
 
Wow. You're really smart. Thanks for the history lesson. I never knew those things. You must be a real whiz with Wikipedia. :rolleyes:

It was my understanding that the Glock pistols were originally made for rear-echelon and non-combat troops as a simple weapon that required little training to use, was light in weight, and had a high magazine capacity so there was no need to carry extra gear. Thanks for clearing that up... :cool:

Oh...one more thing. Ever hear the saying, "It's the craftsman, not the tool."? You can take your "ultra-reliable and durable 11-round capacity" Glock and I'll take my ultra-reliable and durable pistol of a design and caliber that has a track record stretching back nearly 100 years through every war of the 20th century. It's always funny to read stuff on the internet. I never knew 1911's weren't reliable until internet gun boards came into being.
 
Until internet gun boards came into being, nobody would admit that there "holier than thou" 1911 was unreliable. Then the 1911 folks shot a Glock and they realized what reliability was like.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Yup. And Wolf ammo is bad, .40 caliber Glocks all go ka-boom, the AR15/M16 platform doesn't work, 9mm can't kill anyone, .223/5.56 can't kill anyone....

:what::neener:

The list goes on and on.

On-topic, however, Louis Awerbuck has said that, in all of his years of training, the BHP is the gun that he has seen to be most reliable. I've shot a BHP more than all others in total and have seen fewer reliability problems out of the ones that I've owned than any other handgun and I've personally owned or own an example of almost every major modern semi-auto as well as having access to a collection of a bunch of older ones.
 
I voted Glock, but must specify 9mm. I have experienced problems with .40 Glocks, which were solved over time. Of the choices listed, Kimber would be the absolute bottom of the list, with all three of mine needing work, and they were early ones, which many seem to worship as being the best. FWIW, I prefer SIG, but SIGs do sometimes needs a few hundred rounds to get past the hiccups. Also, IIRC, Glocks are lubed as ready to shoot out of the box, whereas SIGs come with a grease that is meant to keep everything protected over the long term, but is not a proper lube for shooting.
 
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