I’m working my way through this thread and wish to say how much I agree with this post. Even folks who practice by standing and shooting at a stationary target at their favorite range aren’t really learning skills that aid a quick and accurate response in a defensive situation requiring action.People always talk equipment. Let me ask a question - have you trained with and/or competed with a chosen handgun, shotgun or carbine/rifle in anything approximating how you would use it in a home self-defense or other reasonable SD situation. That's the empirical test for you as compared to the usual what round, what flashlight, blah, blah, blah discussion.
I know may be difficult and expensive to do such but that's the real solution. A pretty well known from John Holschen of Insights Training:
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May 24, 2013 ·
A thought for today from John Holschen:
Amateurs think (or talk) equipment,
Students think techniques,
Masters think tactics!
My Model 12 loaded with 00 is by the bed, along with a S&W Model 27 on the nightstand and an AK-47 within reach. No other guns between me and our entry-way.
I bought this strictly for HD at Academy for $180. It leans in the corner of the bedroom loaded with single 0 buck. I have a couple of model 12s for all other shotgun duty. Is the Mossberg 88 inexpensive? Yes! Is it reliable? Certainly! Does it fill all of my HD needs? I think so.View attachment 897835
game on! Wife with the pump and both my hands filled.
Just did a quick scan of this thread - I'm a shotgun guy all day long for close quarter work so it's not a question for me....
I did note one thing that just jumped out at me and that was the folks who noted that they lived "upstairs" and that defending the stairway was their prime consideration... For everyone that thinks this is all they need to plan for - exactly what will you do upstairs if the folks you face decide to torch the lower floor? Bad folks with very bad intentions aren't always carrying guns - sometimes it's a can of gasoline or other accelerant.... that might just ruin your day or night...
Something that I was forced to address with my officers was that any modern structure on fire is generating very poisonous gasses and that going into or remaining in a structure on fire was extremely hazardous. The scenario was this... although we told our young guys not to go into burning buildings since they didn't have the necessary breathing gear most times they were first on the scene and just had to act... When the firefighters showed up, some of the first folks they needed to rescue... You guessed it they were our officers... The docs who worked on our officers reported stuff like cyanide as well as the usual carbon monoxide poisoning and similar agents from inhaling that nasty smoke from a modern dwelling...
So once again, you're in a superior barricaded position upstairs - what will you do if someone sets fire to the house? It's a very serious tactical concern in my book...
Another thing you have to think about is what happens once the invaders have been “caught?” So you have two guys down on the floor. You have your family safe in a designated room. So you’re alone, hopefully the police are coming. How much does your long gun weigh? How long can you hold it up to keep watch over one or two or more who want nothing more than to get the better of you and really don’t want to be there when the police arrive?
I did note one thing that just jumped out at me and that was the folks who noted that they lived "upstairs" and that defending the stairway was their prime consideration... For everyone that thinks this is all they need to plan for - exactly what will you do upstairs if the folks you face decide to torch the lower floor? Bad folks with very bad intentions aren't always carrying guns - sometimes it's a can of gasoline or other accelerant.... that might just ruin your day or night...
So once again, you're in a superior barricaded position upstairs - what will you do if someone sets fire to the house? It's a very serious tactical concern in my book...
We have a chain ladder for scenarios where we must exit the bedroom. This was suggested when we had our house gamed. I just hope we don't get killed trying to use it at night while in a hurry and/or panic!I have honestly never heard of this happening.
She's 60 and still has her terrific college figure. Here's hoping when I need steady sights she won't distract me in her nightwear!!Is that really the best time to be groping your wife???? Or am I missing the point?
This is actually part of our home defense plan.We have a chain ladder for scenarios where we must exit the bedroom. This was suggested when we had our house gamed. I just hope we don't get killed trying to use it at night while in a hurry and/or panic!
What we don't have is a chain ladder in EVERY upstairs bedroom.
Perhaps we should.
REF: QuickEscape Fire Escape Ladder QFL12SL
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We have a chain ladder for scenarios where we must exit the bedroom. This was suggested when we had our house gamed. I just hope we don't get killed trying to use it at night while in a hurry and/or panic!
What we don't have is a chain ladder in EVERY upstairs bedroom.
Perhaps we should.
REF: QuickEscape Fire Escape Ladder QFL12SL
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