You out and out said you considered Glock's inferior
Any gun with a plastic frame will be inferior....to me. Now take my opinion...and a quarter....and go to the coffee shop and see which one buys you more coffee.
you've already outed yourself as on a crusade.
True. My crusade is to make people think about their firearm. And what some potential disasters they could face. Now as you and I both know...the only true disaster any of us will face is next weeks invasion from Zeta Reticuli aliens. But I couldn't very well tell the rest of the board about that so I mentioned that highly unlikely "fire thing".
I think most of us stopped taking you seriously with the BBQ gun stuff, but your earlier post was the nail in the coffin:
If you change your judgment about your own personal self defense based on ME...a faceless stranger who you have NO idea about in terms of qualifications...then you would DESERVE to die. Judge your own personal self defense yourSELF. SELFdefense....YourSELF....see how I did a little play on words there? I'm not going to convince anyone to change their gun. (At least I doubt I will.) But there may be a few people who went out and bought firesafes...or vacuum seal their firearm for storage...or started asking Glock Corp about the Stress Rating on their polymer frames...or a dozen other things that might help them keep their firearm for when they need it.
You don't actually BELIEVE that people are going to change the gun they own based on this, do you? They aren't. I'm not even going to say that they are wrong to keep their gun. I'd probably lose some respect for them if they did.
If light weight is the most important thing...then it is the most important thing....TO YOU! So what you can then point out to me is that Glocks make great shipwreck guns....cause they don't corrode, they won't weigh you down while your trying to swim to shore, and you have bullets to spare when shooting coconuts for the meat. You can point this out to counter any points I might make about the overly heavy and clunky 8 round 1911. Tell me how carrying this heavy joker would end up in me being drowned. See how this can work? And you know what...I might never have thought of that before. You might have given me something new to think about. Maybe save my life when I wreck in Madagascar. In a flood...for all I know....maybe your Glock will FLOAT. Do you know if it can float or not? I don't. Truth to tell, I'd appriciate you telling me that info if you know. Cause I can see where that might save my life some day.
Normally I deal with most things with humor. But I'm going to be totally serious for a minute. I just saw this year the effects of what a really bad storm can do to a whole region. I've got friends and some family who are still dealing with it. Thankfully getting better. Gunowners....or hell just people in general....have preconceived ideas about what they think will threaten them. Invasion, US dictatorship, Killer virus, Economic failure, hurricane.....pick any of these or make up a new one. No matter what you think....it won't be like you think. I've spoken with friends recently who constantly remind me of this. They didn't expect their whole house to be washed away. That means no guns. Zip. Nada. They didn't expect to be without water. Or food. Or clothes. They didn't expect the people around them to start acting out of desparation. They didn't expect THEMSELVES to start acting out of desparation. Luckily, none of my friends experienced anything TOO violent (some shots in dark...things like that). But they had their gasoline stolen from out of their lawn in the night. They had to go loot food and water from a local convience store. They were without electricity for a month. They'd thought about disasters before, and even thought they were somewhat prepared. It...wasn't...like...they...planned.
Does that mean they shouldn't have planned at all? I'm not ready to go that far and say that.
I happen to think that firearms can be beneficial tools. I know for a fact they would have provided a couple of my friends with peace of mind, if nothing else, after Katrina passed. Luckily, many of the people I knew were able to go to friends who were less effected. But suppose that hadn't been the case? Suppose the disaster had been so bad that they were totally on their own?
IF...and it's a huge IF....IF I can introduce a new idea that someone NEVER considered before, or point it out to them from a new direction, then they MIGHT take action on it and it MIGHT help them sometime in the future.
But what the conversatin usually devolves into is "Hey! You said something bad about my firearm. You questioned it. You're an idiot for questioning a firearm that *I* own" blah blah blah.
In a SHTF situation, I'll have a working firearm and you won't....sounds like a good situation to me.
Yeah I was PO'd when I wrote that. Ever written something and then regretted it later? I suppose I shouldn't be backstepping on anything I've written though. Some sharks on this forum will sense weakness from me and swoop in for the kill. Contrition being a sign of weakness to many of them.
Meanwhile you seem to refuse to acknowledge that the cases are largely unlikely to unplausible
Having your gun be close to...or even inside of....a fire is hardly unlikely. Fire is one of the most common destructive events that occur in the US. Now then...what MIGHT be unlikely is to assume that fire would occur in concert with some other event.
Fire and economic collapse? Maybe but not necessarily so.
Fire in concert with....a hurricane? No probably not so much. I know they can happen but probably not.
But let's try...Fire in concert with an earthquake? (by the way, I never did find out if Glocks can withstand having houses fall on them...course I never asked) Yeah, fires and earthquakes can go hand in hand.
Fire in concert with riots? yeah. those happen together.
Fires in concert with chemical plant leaks? Yes.
Fires and drought?
Fires and Russian invasions? I've been told they can correlate.
I can come up with an equally contrived case where a gun is needed immediately and a plastic frame dramatically out-performs and dangerously cold/hot frame against human flesh.
Yeah, and not to be critical of you, but I kinda think you are remiss for not doing so. Tell me how I'm wrong. Point out the times when Glocks are better. That's a lot better than appealing to my "reasonableness" and to all this supposed knowledge that tells me plastic is better than steel. Hit me with some facts. Question me. But don't just say, "You're wrong." Or "You're a Glock hater". Back up what you got to say. If it doesn't help ME...it might help someone ELSE. It's too late for me. I had a conversation with someone resently that went something like this.
Friend: Search your feelings, Borachon. You can’t do this. I feel the conflict within you; let go of your hate for Glocks!
Myself: It is too late for me. John Browning will show you the true nature of Shooting. He is my master now.
Friend: Then you are truly dead.
And by the way...has anybody bothered to find out the melting point of Glock frames?
Really though. This is not about whose gun is better. It's about having guns to use when people need them.