"Without hand fighting skills, you are just a walking holster"

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Corpral_Agarn, Oct 30, 2020.

  1. Koroner

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    My two cents; 95% of unarmed street fights go to the ground fast.

    I've been able to anticipate and avoid most violent confrontations for just over 45 years.

    So what happened back then? A drunk Brit at 2:30am hitting his girlfriend in my campsite in Yosemite. He had 40 pounds on me and lots of fighting experience, but he was quite intoxicated. In two seconds we were on the ground and two more I had his head in a scissorlock. I locked my ankles and tightened down with all my strength.
    He started gasping and the girlfriend started pleading with me to let him go, but after ten seconds he went limp.

    I saw him nursing a bleeding nose the next morning.

    Know your illegal wrestling holds!
     
  2. FL-NC

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    That number is more accurate with the caveat that the fight isn't a 1-punch affair, or if the "fight" goes beyond the pushing/shoving phase. As for me, I am more comfortable than most fighting on the ground, so if that is where we are headed, I want to get there as quickly as possible, and on my terms.
     
  3. NuShootr

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    On one of those firearm guys' YT channel where once in awhile he does "street fighting" tutorials, I mentioned exactly this. He was showing people how to battle on the street, face to face, squared up and blocking punches like a boxer/competitive martial artist. I mentioned how much more effective it would be to sidestep that hook, stick your leg out and let your opponent's momentum carry him to the ground, at which point, knee on the back of his neck. Fight over. Call 911. The YTer did not appreciate my input.
     
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  5. Corpral_Agarn

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    Another update on the progress.

    I am getting better, that's for sure. I have built up some report with a few of the more experienced guys who have been really helpful in showing me where I'm going wrong.

    I am now pretty well holding my own against most of the other white belts. There's a few white belts who absolutely wreck me LOL

    I signed up for a BJJ tournament scheduled for the end of February. Gi and no Gi.
    Talked to the Coach about it last night and he's going to watch me roll a little closer and purposefully choose my rolling opponents. He also said I'd be rolling against him, which, while intimidating sounds pretty fun.

    If anyone can choose to hurt your or not, it's a black belt... so rolling with those guys seems pretty safe...
     
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  6. .38 Special

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    The great majority of my training injuries came from either total beginners or guys who had gotten just good enough to be dangerous but not good enough to have much control. For a while I was the "Gently introduce the brand new folks to the gym" guy. It got to the point that when the new guy was young, buff, and tattooed, I begged off and made somebody else do it. Strength, testosterone, ego, and an utter lack of skill make for extraordinarily dangerous training partners!
     
  7. NuShootr

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    They will expose every weakness and will take full advantage. Yes, they will take great care to not hurt you much, but ultimately you will learn a lot. The best way to progress is to learn from people much better than you at whatever.
     
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  8. NuShootr

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    My martial arts career ended because of that. Trying to teach someone how to hip flip, and he did not pay attention at all. There was no way I could properly break my fall, and catastrophically injured my left shoulder. Yes, I'm bitter.
     
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  9. Corpral_Agarn

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    I agree with learning from those better than you, that's for sure.
     
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  10. Corpral_Agarn

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    Yeah, I have run into these guys as well... the neck cranks from people who don't know how to choke properly are not good...

    My coach actually pulls these guys aside and corrects their approach (when it happens).
     
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    Man that's terrible. Judo?
     
  12. NuShootr

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    Thanks. I basically did MMA before it was MMA. I learned Sil Lum Hung Gar Kung Fu, Jui Jitsu and Aikido all at the same time. I killed my hopes of amateur bodybuilding as well. I was in a sling for months.
     
  13. .38 Special

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    First time the new guy smacks the coach with a wild strike: "Easy, man. You gotta back way down on the power."

    Second time: "Dude. Seriously. We've all gotta get up and go to work in the morning."

    Third time: "Ice packs and bandaids in the cabinet in back. Come back next week if you want, but stop bleeding on my mat."
     
  14. bratch

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    We do a 4s drill, one partner throws 4 strikes and the other defends off the fourth strike the other partner throws 4 and back and forth. Not throwing hard but trying to make contact if the other person slips up. If you sneak one through and connect with coach get ready for a ride on his next 4.
     
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  15. FL-NC

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    Glad to hear things are going well! I took a brief nap after an elbow to the jaw Thurs.
     
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    LOL I'm sure you woke up feeling rested and refreshed!
     
  17. Dirtybob

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    I witnessed a similar event;
    New student clocks another student too hard
    Instructor: Come spar with me instead
    Then it escalated, new student got humbled....
     
  18. FL-NC

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    Head still hurts. Taking this week off sparring.
     
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  19. Corpral_Agarn

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    Probably wise
     
  20. Armednfree

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    Some of these guys think you need to be a belted martial art expert. Not really. You do need to know how to keep and maintain your space. How to deliver a distracting blow, to the face and knee shots to the peroneal nerve and a shin strike. those with your non-domanate side since your dominate side is kept away as you draw your weapon.

    Understand that while this attacker is likely going to start by delivering blows if he has a size advantage he will go to wrapping you up. Know how to react to a rear naked choke and how to break it.

    These are not things that are very hard to learn.
     
  21. Corpral_Agarn

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    While agree that they are not hard to learn, landing them properly and efficiently, when it matters, can be difficult even on someone with little training.

    The importance practicing the learned techniques, at full speed, against someone who is trying to prevent you while trying to land their own techniques cannot be over stated IMHO.
     
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  22. NuShootr

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    It's not a matter of "belted martial arts expert". An 8 year old black belt means very little and this young person is hardly an "expert". It's a matter of thousands of repetitions in a simulated real world environment. That's the difference between surviving and either not, or being badly injured.
    One other thing. No matter how good you are, or think you are, there will always be someone out there better than you. Take heed.
     
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  23. Armednfree

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    One of the issues here in using physical force is that most people from living in society tend to restrain their aggression, their ability to bring violence. Well, in this area aggression and violence is what you need, unimpeded.
     
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  24. NuShootr

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    Unfortunately, most of the people that begin these encounters are not in a proper state of mind due to alcohol, drugs or they are in the midst of rage. This is why it's so important to know how to protect yourself and end these encounters quickly.
     
  25. wcwhitey

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    Situational awareness is key, knowing your limitations is as well. Not everyone who carries is in the best physical shape, some chose to carry because they are no longer the men/women they were in their youth. Hopefully everyone gets wiser. I always remembered the saying "A pack of hyenas can take down the biggest lion". Hopefully everyone is aware of their surrounding, surprises do come though. Make smart, intelligent decisions no matter how good you are with your hands or how good of shape your in. As they teach you in Judo, the best defense is not to be there when the strike comes.
     
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