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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by jstert, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    If you refuse to accept responsibility to stop something evil and heinous your just as guilty as the party responsible. You don't like this comment cause it goes against what YOU think and/or believe.is it really that hard to accept your own personal responsibility? People said that throughout this post. "It's not my personal responsibility" it's not me it's not me. Keep crying that.
     
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    What happens to your family if you're killed driving to work? If you haven't thought ahead and prepared that's a personal problem.
     
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    Life insurance. Multiple policies through work and out. If spouse is killed next of kin has the kids and has accepted that responsibility of we die.
     
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    I dont have a ccw nor do I carry.
    I have kicked the idea around for a while but simply cant justify it.

    Look, I am a homebody that rarely goes places that realisticly increase my odds of ever needing to defend myself.

    I live in a quiet town where not much happens.

    I inderstand that bad stuff happens everywhere, I also know that statistics tell me it is unlikely to happen here....I accept that the odds are in my favor.

    Most of the guys I know, got their CHPs because they could, not because they felt they NEEDED to.
     
  5. Styx

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    I agree. It's completely ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions no matter how silly and far fetched their opinions are.
     
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    What happens to my family? They'll suffer. No amount of insurance money or planning will make up for me not being there. My family comes first and foremost before anyone else. They're my primary responsibility. With that said, I'm not going to put myself and them in harms way by trying to be a hero.

    I carry a firearm to protect myself and my family, and I suggest others do the same. If they haven't thought ahead and prepared to protect themselves and their family, that's their personal problem. They, like newfalguy101, made a personal choice not to carry a firearm. They should have to live with the consequences if the improbable and unthinkable every happens.
     
  7. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    And everyone is entitled to their selfish even borderline malicious personal views that they cover up with "not my problem"
     
  8. Styx

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    Nothing selfish about wanting to be around for the sake of your friends and family. Plain and simple. If you disagree fine don't care.
     
  9. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    That's cool don't care either.
     
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    More guns in the hands of a crowd of adrenaline filled people who have no way to tell friend from foe sounds like it might only add to the slaughter. One armed citizen in the right place, with the right training, and the ability to identify the threat can make a difference, but the more people shooting in that situation the more people are going to get hit.
     
  11. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    If you read my other responses you'd see I advocate for training and the willingness to engage.
     
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    May the odds be ever in your favor.
    Me? I plan for the worst and hope for the best.
     
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  13. shafter

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    Willingness to engage is fine, but who are you engaging? How do you tell which of those people with their 38's and 9mm's are the good guy? I don't like the idea of pulling out my handgun only to get shot in the back of the head by a well meaning sheepdog.
     
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  14. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    What is with all these damn hypotheticals? You will drastically already be the ONLY guy armed (not the bad guy), take the damn shot Everytime you get into a car, turn on an engine, drink a beer, eat a steak go to sleep there is a freaking risk of SOMETHING happening. If the risk of helping is too great maybe you don't need to be carrying. Throw the personal responsibility out the window. You have the obligation being a damn human being of doing something if you truly believe you have nothing to do in that situation then give up now, sell your guns there of no use and pick up a safe hobby like stamp collecting, hell becareful though paper cuts are common
     
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    Because multiple sheepdogs drawing and shooting has been a real problem in the US during mass shootings.

    I'd be a little more worried about taking one from the boys in blue if I had to cover a down and unarmed, but not yet willing to quit, assailant. Again, has this ever happened?
     
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    I might carry my double stack pistol more for awhile. But I won't be throwing a 12ga or AR in the car to head to the store.
     
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    Are you a law enforcement officer?
     
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    Nope, and even if I was theyre not responsible for your safety remember? You are. But wait it theyre job to go in and handle the situation but wait, seconds count and police are minutes away, doesnt matter it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a ba- wait Its not my responsibility.
     
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    If your going for the very tired of "You aint a cop" then thats a whole separate argument, you have a moral and personal responsibility to do whats needed in that situation, not because of a badge or because of some governmental agency. If thats all that matters this society has much bigger problems than just worrying about the job of the police.
     
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    Keyboard commando.
     
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  21. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    Another tired trope, it is a "keyboard commando" now to care about your fellow human being. Offer something even a differing and opposing opinion but dont do the cowardly tactic of a driveby post come on we already have people that carry guns and wont use them dont be that guy over the internet.
     
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    So all I asked was if you’re a law enforcement officer. So to all the rest of that, whatever.

    I agreed to disagree earlier but honestly your logic has gotten so twisted up that you’re failing to see it.

    By your own logic stated here.....
    Then you are just as guilty as a mass murder also, because your answer is no. A police officer or swat team member is going to be better trained, will likely have body armor, perhaps a patrol rifle of some sort, maybe a shotgun, maybe even a sub gun. You would also have dispatch alerting you to threats and attacks, and you’d have the legal authority to turn on your siren and go racing towards a mass shooting to engage. You’d be more likely to dish out an appropriate response with the right gear, and faster due to communications with dispatch.

    Correct? You’d be in a much better scenario to stop these threats than an average citizen with their self defense gun.

    So isn’t it your responsibility to join a police force? Your own logic dictates anyone not choosing to engage a mass shooter is just as guilty of murder as the killer.

    You should go into law enforcement. Why have you not done this?
     
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  23. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    what more really needs to be said on this? Either you agree or you dont, lets move on already.
     
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    Nobody knows how they would respond being thrust into a situation like that, even trained law enforcement. See Parkland. You're boldly proclaiming that you'd grab your CCW without hesitation and move to eliminate the threat of a mass murderer armed with an assault rifle and anybody who would do otherwise is just as bad as said mass murderer. That's ridiculous, in my opinion, and the very definition of a keyboard commando.
     
  25. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    People know how they'd react, people either have fight or flight, People on this very forum have been in situations through whatever scenario brought onto it. I KNOW how Id react based on previous experience in combat situatios.Its not hard to fathom. It really isnt.
     
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