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This.The incident in El Paso didn't change my mind on what gun to carry or anything else.
This.The incident in El Paso didn't change my mind on what gun to carry or anything else.
I want to know what kind of training I could receive--maybe a Walmart active shooter training?
I carry a J frame sized gun in 9mm. Ruger LCR to be exact. I am not going to hunt the perp down find cover and protect those around me. If he approaches then I start firing
Too many chances of getting popped by the police coming it looking for a guy with a gun. They have no idea who the bad guy and good guys are or do you.
What if you shoot an undercover cop who happens to be there when the shooting starts?
Until the cops shoot you because they do not know who is who. If the police have no legal duty to protect you, why is someone else's duty as opposed to those being shot at?Good lord if you can't unholster a firearm and do your duty when some guy is walking around the Walmart you're in murdering families, you're a poor excuse for a human being.
Until the cops shoot you because they do not know who is who. If the police have no legal duty to protect you, why is someone else's duty as opposed to those being shot at?
There have been multiple examples of mass shootings were a permit holder intervened. Most recently, an off duty firefighter held an 20 year old idiot, who walked into Walmart in full tactical gear while OC'ing an AR, at gun point until police arrived. Might not be an active shooter situation, but the fire fighter didn't know that at the time.I will not be changing what I DO, however, I will be changing what I SAY.
Based on the numbers, this shooting makes it abundantly clear that permit holders are quite unlikely to have any effect on mass shootings. There should have been upwards of 30 permit holders at the location of the shooting based on the TX permit statistics and the number of persons in the store--even accounting for the fact that this store is legally frequented by many Mexican Nationals who can not legally carry.
I don't feel I can keep trying to claim that permit holders are likely to be a factor in mass shootings if I want to be honest.
Well this sorry excuse of a human being is looking for the first exist, or I'm barricading myself behind something until law enforcement arrives.Like it or not, you are your brother's keeper.
Which means you need to actually be able to account for every shot you fire.Like it or not, you are your brother's keeper.
My upbringing, my Marine Corps training and my conscience all lead me to a different conclusion as to what my duty is in a situation like that one.Which means you need to actually be able to account for every shot you fire.
In a mass hysteria situation your chances of being able to get a clean shot without endangering the innocent are quite frankly near zilch. It is far better to help others to safety and act as a guard for them and those in your immediate area then to think you can go hunting. You duty is to keep your gun holstered as along as possible and direct traffic.
Then explain it so one can understand. I am not leo, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn last night.You wouldn't understand.
You're your brother's keeper, like it or not. If that doesn't do it well enough, then I can't.Then explain it so one can understand. I am not leo, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn last night.
That's fine but it is unseemly to attempt to denigrate those of us who do not wear that pretty blue/red/yellow suit with the big "S" on it under our every day clothes. Some of us don't even own a cape.My upbringing, my Marine Corps training and my conscience all lead me to a different conclusion as to what my duty is in a situation like that one.
My upbringing, my Marine Corps training and my conscience all lead me to a different conclusion as to what my duty is in a situation like that one.
You're your brother's keeper, like it or not. If that doesn't do it well enough, then I can't.
You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine.That's fine but it is unseemly to attempt to denigrate those of us who do not wear that pretty blue/red/yellow suit with the big "S" on it under our every day clothes. Some of us don't even own a cape.
Then please accept my sincere apology for offending you or anyone else.No one is saying you're not; but do not disparage those who have a different opinion merely because it does fit YOUR personal view of how to handle this.
There have been a FEW. Which is what one would expect given how many mass shootings there have been. But I think it's perfectly accurate to say that it is UNLIKELY that permit holders are going to have an effect on mass shootings--because a few out of many is exactly the definition of unlikely. Especially when considering the El Paso shooting when it's almost certain that there were well over 30 permit holders present at the scene and none engaged, an assessment of "unlikely" seems exactly on target.There have been multiple examples of mass shootings were a permit holder intervened.
We don't accually know how many, if any, shoppers accually had firearms on them at the El Paso Wal-Mart. That's all speculation. Even if there were some there, this would be just one anecdotal example were no one did anything.There have been a FEW. Which is what one would expect given how many mass shootings there have been. But I think it's perfectly accurate to say that it is UNLIKELY that permit holders are going to have an effect on mass shootings--because a few out of many is exactly the definition of unlikely. Especially when considering the El Paso shooting when it's almost certain that there were well over 30 permit holders present at the scene and none engaged, an assessment of "unlikely" seems exactly on target.
The firefighter intervention doesn't really qualify because it wasn't a mass shooting and all the evidence points to there being no mass shooting planned. He definitely did stop an idiot who was doing something very stupid, but he didn't stop a mass shooting.
I know that permit holders CAN affect mass shootings, but when the numbers say that there were literally dozens of permit holders on the scene of the El Paso shooting and yet no one did anything to stop the guy, it's hard to argue that permit holders are likely to be a positive factor in mass shootings. Possible, yes. Likely--NO. If we're going to be honest about this then we have to be--honest.
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